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Nice purchase.
I noticed you mentioned track and ceramics.
I am not aiming to rain on your parade but Ceramics have a drawback on the track.
A buddy of mine took his M4 to the Ring.
He had the optional ceramics purchased with the car. Roughly 9000 euros.
Imagine our surprise when on the cooldown lap , thank god, a piece of tiny debris found its way on the pad and pretty much destroyed the FR disc.
He had to replace both and it was heavy on the wallet.

Hope you don't get to experience the pain !
 
I just took the plunge and ordered the set and the two piece rears. Dealing with Team RB has been simple and painless. Just the way it should be. The stock brakes are adequate but I don't like adequate in a 3450 lb car. I'm a big believer in stopping fast before going faster on my cars. I'm in Chicago so I'm not putting these on until I switch back to my summer shoes. I'll use these a couple times a year for some DE drives and I can't wait to get to turn 5 at Road America.

I've got an old (are there any new) 928 that I've put bigger brakes on so this should be able to do this myself.

I'll post pictures when they come in.

Tim
 
Nice purchase.
I noticed you mentioned track and ceramics.
I am not aiming to rain on your parade but Ceramics have a drawback on the track.
A buddy of mine took his M4 to the Ring.
He had the optional ceramics purchased with the car. Roughly 9000 euros.
Imagine our surprise when on the cooldown lap , thank god, a piece of tiny debris found its way on the pad and pretty much destroyed the FR disc.
He had to replace both and it was heavy on the wallet.

Hope you don't get to experience the pain !
This CCB kit is exclusively built by RB with our own design and hardware (hat and fasteners), they are not the same as OE builds. The CCM disc is more fragile to impact in nature, but its light weight, thermal stability, and literally "never wear" characters are far more superior than iron.

If you track/race often using this kit with a proper brake compound you can save replacement cost as well as maintenance down time in addition to a constant confidence inspiring ride on a "bullet proof" brake system - Regardless you are on street or track, any climate condition.

Not only we make the kit affordable (used to be only available to Ferrari & Porsche, A-M, Lambo etc.). If you ever need disc replacement you can order from GM dealers for low to mid $1k, instead of Porsche/Ferrari/BMW dealers costing $4-6K per rotor.

Using an inadequate brake pad can ruin CCM rotors quickly - Resulting $5,000/rotor in replacement was the common concern to stay away from CCM, however this has been changed since our introduction of sintered brake pads.

Your purchase of the kit vested under our knowledge, experience, and extensive support on CCM brake to assure you a complete satisfaction in performance improvement and durability. So install the kit and pound them on tracks without these common worries and concerns.

You can read this extensive review by David Donohue - The most well know Porsche professional racer, and learn how RB CCB brake (front kit is same as RS) helped him manage 150+ turns on his recent Pike Peaks Racing.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3...1r/984947-how-to-restore-your-damaged-ccm-rotors-at-no-cost-7.html#post14330323
 
RB Calipers - Designed and made for track duty in mind.

GT-R track racers are replacing their OE Brembo calipers to RB.

A recent post discussing alternative caliper replacement for Porsche 991 GT3.



Full RB CCB brake kit installed on 911 993 TT


Caliper construction details


How can RB calipers be stiffer than OE's mono-block
 
Learn more and fear less

Share with you are the replies to Viper G6 "skeptical" users on CCM.
https://driveviper.com/forums/threa...-RB-Sintered-Brake-Pads-for-Carbon-Ceramic-Rotor?p=332551&viewfull=1#post332551

That's interesting.

Personally I like the OEM (Brembo) CCM rotors/pad combo so my question is: Would it be OK to switch to the sintered pads for say, 2 track days, repair the rotors at the same time and switch back to the Brembo pads?
I'm assuming that the Sintered pads are cheaper than the Brembo ones (not too hard considering the $670 price tag) but are they as effective?
Stage of CCM rotor restoration process:
#1 Original set up (OE caliper, pad, and rotor)
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#2 After switching to sintered pads (OE caliper)
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#3 Replacing OE caliper to RB (sintered pad)

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Two weeks ago Russ's Z28 brake system was sent back to us for check up and maintenance. We notice the front rotor was pitted and before asking Russ admitted he had to replace the front pad to OE/Brembo (for the last racing at North Cal), here are the pictures of his rear rotor. Basically the OE semi-metallic pads worn off all the metallic deposit on rotor surface and the rotor was back to the original condition (see pic# 1).

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Rotor at this condition can chew up any pads MUCH faster than normal use, although the rotor thickness was checked and found to be almost no wear & within spec.

We advised him of no discs replacement is needed however he will consumer more pad wear during the pad breaking-in and layer transfer process.

Hope above self-explanatory facts can answer to your questions whether you shall use OE pads or alternative such as sintered pads exclusively developed for CCM rotors.
 
https://driveviper.com/forums/threa...-RB-Sintered-Brake-Pads-for-Carbon-Ceramic-Rotor?p=332564&viewfull=1#post332564

Wait if I'm comprehending this correctly, sinistered pads will extend the life of CCM rotors?

Is this to point where they would have the same or greater life cycle in comparison to your iron rotors?
We offered two compounds:

XC-40 trackable street (or streetable track) Can go between street and track w/o having to switch the pad like semi-metallic.
XC-41 Dedicated track/competition racing - Not suitable for street driving.

Since these pads are made with high and consistent COF (0.6-0.65) so we recommend only for CCM rotors which are very hard and do not get soft like iron. Although they also perform extremely well on iron rotor (tested on Momentary Racing's Viper Race car & Focus RS) but will be at the cost of rotor wear, even on RB rotors that are known to be the most durable in the industry at 200-240 Brinell hardness because iron rotor gets soft at elevated temperature.
 
I just took the plunge and ordered the set and the two piece rears. Dealing with Team RB has been simple and painless. Just the way it should be. The stock brakes are adequate but I don't like adequate in a 3450 lb car. I'm a big believer in stopping fast before going faster on my cars. I'm in Chicago so I'm not putting these on until I switch back to my summer shoes. I'll use these a couple times a year for some DE drives and I can't wait to get to turn 5 at Road America.

I've got an old (are there any new) 928 that I've put bigger brakes on so this should be able to do this myself.

I'll post pictures when they come in.

Tim
Tim,

Your order is ready to be packed and shipped tomorrow.

Sorry the pics were taken from the shop and the quality is no where near Jay's but here they are:

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They arrived yesterday afternoon. WOW, these things are huge and light! It's only up to 15° so the install will wait until its more spring like. The pictures don't do justice to the scale of the rotors or the calipers.

Tim
 
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Hi All,
I did have my RS out yesterday. I like these brakes. My initial impression is they are very street friendly. Modulation cold is good. No noise. The best track set up on the street.

I've only completed step 2 of 4 steps to bed these in. I will be doing some cold weather (Yes we still have cold weather before spring) drive impressions.
And it won't be long and I'll be back to Watkins Glen in April for a track report.
 
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Ok Winter will not loosen its grip on Up-State NY... Temps in the mornings are below 30 Deg F and highs many days remain in the 30s... Ugh.....

But the good news is these brakes with CCM rotors perform very well at these temps on the street. My commute is about 22 miles and mostly highway so they remain cold yet when I need to stop they work well. Even cold modulation is very good and stopping power at legal speeds is as good as any high performance street brake pad.

As I said before and it remains true even in Low temps this is the most streetable track brake system I've used.

Now off to Watkins Glen for some track time, I hope it warms up!!

j
 
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Discussion starter · #36 · (Edited)
Racing Brake CCB Carbon Ceramic Rotors Track tested at Watkins Glen with XC-40 Trackable Street pad.

Objective: Test the on-track performance of the Racing Brake CCB system for braking performance, wear and reduced weight. Determine if the component wear rates are extended over conventional iron rotors and race pads to offset the initial expense of the CCB system.

For reference I ran Carbotec XP-20 pads on the rears, Motul 660 brake fluid and my own brake duct cooling..

My RS: See Signature below for the mods on my car.

Track Conditions: 3 Day tracking at Watkins Glen. I run in the advanced group and with instructors.
I did 12 sessions from 30-40 mins
Conditions: Variable from dry to wet (raining/snowing, yes snowing). Temperatures from 32 degrees F to 50 degrees F

Conclusion: Overall, I was very pleased with these brakes in varying conditions. I did not best my personal best of 2:11.3 but came close. Under these conditions a personal best was not in the cards.

Never did I experience any brake fade or poor brake performance and WGI is very demanding on brakes. As an example my 3400 lbs RS is at 138-140 mph on the back straight slowed to 75mph into the bus stop. Rotor temps peak was 800 degrees C (measured with temperature sensitive paint). This is comparable to iron rotors.
Braking in the cold and wet was also excellent.

Initial bite is moderate, about a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10. I personally like a more aggressive initial bite but found I adjusted quickly to these.

Modulation is excellent. This is one area where these brakes excel. I do a lot of left foot braking (turns 9,10,11) and modulation is very important because my left foot sometimes is not trained as well to do smooth controlled braking but with this set-up it was a joy to left foot brake.

Wear: On the rotors is zero. The pads transfer material to the rotor and works against that material so the there is no wear on the rotors.
Pad wear: New there is 0.67” (17mm) total thickness including the back plate. After 3 days and 12 sessions the pads were 0.50”to 0.53” (12.7 to 13.5). These pads should be good for 3 events like this (or 9 track days)

Wear conclusion: With no rotor wear and the pads lasting at least 2x longer and perhaps 3x longer than race pads the CCB XC-40 would be at least cost neutral. As a system once, the initial investment is made the expense is certainly no greater than conventional iron rotors and brake pads. And if you do enough track days in a year with the expense of iron rotor replacement the CCB system could be more economical.

Warren (RB) says " During this layer transfer stage the pad shall wear out faster (comparable to iron) as you observed, but after the layer transfer is fully completed the wear rate will substantially improve, and shall last longer than what you have seen so far."

Therefore the overall performance and pad longevity should get even be better than observed and reported (compare to iron) over more track events than from one weekend event as the pad transfer process will be fully completed.

Reduced weight: Although I can’t say I can feel the difference in the 24lbs of unsprung weight of the front end of my RS, but it is very lively to accelerate and keeps the tire in contact with the track. On track weight is the enemy, so any sizeable weight reduction like this is going to be a huge benefit.

I’m looking forward to more track time at summer temps. I expect to see my PB fall.

Jay

 
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Where did the 48lb of weight loss come from? The OP says you lost about 13lbs per corner with the rotors.
 
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Where did the 48lb of weight loss come from? The OP says you lost about 13lbs per corner with the rotors.
oops my bad I doubled it... its per axle I'll edit it to correct..


I'll be scale it this week as I have taken other weight off the car.

j
 
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Good news all the way around! How did the larger rotor at the rear hold up. I would expect that wear would be minimal, much like the stock setup.
The rear pads very little wear and rear rotors had no measurable difference as you suspected.
I may play around a little with rear pad compounds next time.

j
 
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