[mexrs]

You still got 1 psi to go to the Ford recommended value .

Acttually im well beyond that . 22psi on bigger turbo is not the same as on the smaller stovck turbo doing 22

Also 22psi on stage 3 cams and ported head moves more air than 22psi without them

 

[mexrs]

Took a clip of car revving upto 4500 rpm. I should do another one to like 5800

 

[SenderPiggins]

Yo that lope is not bad.

Is there any education on oem vs aftermarket valves? As in, do they do anything? If I'm not mistaken Esslinger uses OEM valves for their build, correct?

 

[mexrs]

Yo that lope is not bad.

Is there any education on oem vs aftermarket valves? As in, do they do anything? If I'm not mistaken Esslinger uses OEM valves for their build, correct?

The head has aftermarket stainless intake valves, and aftermarket Inconel exhaust valves.

The OEM valves are pretty nice too according to Esslinger.

 

[mexrs]

So here is the latest datalog i did on the 10th of June

datazap.me | mexrs

datazap.me

--- Was told probably wastegate in the past... current wastegate is 18 psi with 7 mm preload.
--- Then was told backpressure and a catback is recommended.... slight small insignigicant improvement
--- Now told a dual port wastegate could fix... Not sure i want to throw more money on the RS.

Anyone think a dual port wastegate would be worth it? Turbosmart sell them. I am more inclined to believe that my issue is the higher flow at higher RPM as a result of porting and the aftermarket cams but that too is guessing. Someone esle might be able to affirm it.

As for the esslinger stage 3 cams they are suppose to peak at around 6500 RPM depending on turbo. I was told those cams (improved design) drives like their stage 2 but with increased top end.

Car does pull great.

Still pending is the tune for 50 methanol with 1% nitromethane

 

[hyracer]

I'm guessing your at least $40K into the build by having purchased two built blocks, turbo, and all the other supporting mods up till now. And that's not including your original cost of the car. Trying out the dual port wastegate is not that big a factor on what you've spent up to this point.

Without going back and reading all your posts, do you already have an aftermarket pump to support 50% methanol? The stock pump is maxed out at 40% in my understanding

 

[thirdgen89gta]

Took a clip of car revving upto 4500 rpm. I should do another one to like 5800

Sounds like stock cams to me.

 

[thirdgen89gta]

Yo that lope is not bad.

Is there any education on oem vs aftermarket valves? As in, do they do anything? If I'm not mistaken Esslinger uses OEM valves for their build, correct?

I don't hear lope at all in that. Then again, I'm used to this.

 

[mexrs]

I'm guessing your at least $40K into the build by having purchased two built blocks, turbo, and all the other supporting mods up till now. And that's not including your original cost of the car. Trying out the dual port wastegate is not that big a factor on what you've spent up to this point.

Without going back and reading all your posts, do you already have an aftermarket pump to support 50% methanol? The stock pump is maxed out at 40% in my understanding

Why did you have to remind me lol Tuner has someone with a simillar issue that is going to try twin port wastegate. once we see outcome i take next step. I will wait in the meantime. it was not much abbout the 200 dollars but more about how long all this process has been taking. it gets to a point that one just wants to give up and settle lol

For now i wait on feedback on that customer who is going to install twinport wastegate

Sounds like stock cams to me.

i have idle rpm raised.

Also v8 cammed different story. my transam back in 2005 sounded like that and had headers but no tune...

 

[DavidMcC914]

Why did you have to remind me lol Tuner has someone with a simillar issue that is going to try twin port wastegate. once we see outcome i take next step. I will wait in the meantime. it was not much abbout the 200 dollars but more about how long all this process has been taking. it gets to a point that one just wants to give up and settle lol

For now i wait on feedback on that customer who is going to install twinport wastegate



i have idle rpm raised.

Also v8 cammed different story. my transam back in 2005 sounded like that and had headers but no tune...

Hi interested to here as I’m on a very similar set up with stage 3 piper cams and NX2 turbo with AUX fuel rail. Who is your tuner? I’m currently going through the tuning process with Alex at Stratified and I’m installing the twin port actuator this weekend if it arrives on time.

 

[mexrs]

Hi interested to here as I’m on a very similar set up with stage 3 piper cams and NX2 turbo with AUX fuel rail. Who is your tuner? I’m currently going through the tuning process with Alex at Stratified and I’m installing the twin port actuator this weekend if it arrives on time.

Same. He did mention he gad a customer who will be doing twinport wastegate. fingerscrossed.

 

[mexrs]

I'm guessing your at least $40K into the build by having purchased two built blocks, turbo, and all the other supporting mods up till now. And that's not including your original cost of the car. Trying out the dual port wastegate is not that big a factor on what you've spent up to this point.

Without going back and reading all your posts, do you already have an aftermarket pump to support 50% methanol? The stock pump is maxed out at 40% in my understanding

methanil injection not ethanol in fuel tank

 

[RSt~n~peace]

So here is the latest datalog i did on the 10th of June

datazap.me | mexrs

datazap.me

--- Was told probably wastegate in the past... current wastegate is 18 psi with 7 mm preload.
--- Then was told backpressure and a catback is recommended.... slight small insignigicant improvement
--- Now told a dual port wastegate could fix... Not sure i want to throw more money on the RS.

Anyone think a dual port wastegate would be worth it? Turbosmart sell them. I am more inclined to believe that my issue is the higher flow at higher RPM as a result of porting and the aftermarket cams but that too is guessing. Someone esle might be able to affirm it.

As for the esslinger stage 3 cams they are suppose to peak at around 6500 RPM depending on turbo. I was told those cams (improved design) drives like their stage 2 but with increased top end.

Car does pull great.

Still pending is the tune for 50 methanol with 1% nitromethane

I looked at these. Disclaimer: I'm not a tuner. I do like to compare datasets. It seems like your setup is still maxing out the WGDC. Out of all the logs I've looked at yours are the only one I've seen hitting 100% WGDC. I'm sure you've already double checked all of the vacuum lines and the solenoids are working correctly.

I compared your logs to two other Focus RS' with PTE / NX2 turbos. The good news is they seemed to be on par with your setup. The bad news is they are both using a different tuner who uses the ETC to maintain boost vs modulating the WGDC. Not a true comparison, but it was the closest thing I could find. I compared the logs in v-dyno. I used the same weight for both and adjusted air temps to the reading at the start of the pull. I didn't adjust the barometric pressure. A stable psi doesn't mean more power. But it's always nice to know you are getting the most out of your setup.

Another downside is the other tuner doesn't log the VCT angles. Comparing your logs to mine (and a couple other stock turbo and cam cars) I can see your tuner is adding exhaust cam timing vs the logs on the stock turbo/cam cars maintaining the exhaust side VCT at about -0.4 from 4100 rpm to redline. Your exhaust cam VCT is timing is increasing from 4300 rpm almost inversely to your boost slope. But this is comparing apples to oranges and I don't have a good comparison to say it has anything to do with your issue.

I also added a comparison to my race gas tune . My pull was done in 4th, but the ratios are all in v-dyno. I adjusted all the charts for air temp at the start of the pull but not baro.

Good luck!

 

[SenderPiggins]

I don't hear lope at all in that. Then again, I'm used to this.

Ron had stage 2s in his, and there was a bit of lope. I was expecting stage 3 to have more but it really didn't sound different from the stage 2.

I've been trying to decide between Esslinger Stage 2 or Piper 255s, keeping the stock turbo.

 

[mexrs]

I looked at these. Disclaimer: I'm not a tuner. I do like to compare datasets. It seems like your setup is still maxing out the WGDC. Out of all the logs I've looked at yours are the only one I've seen hitting 100% WGDC. I'm sure you've already double checked all of the vacuum lines and the solenoids are working correctly.

I compared your logs to two other Focus RS' with PTE / NX2 turbos. The good news is they seemed to be on par with your setup. The bad news is they are both using a different tuner who uses the ETC to maintain boost vs modulating the WGDC. Not a true comparison, but it was the closest thing I could find. I compared your logs in theirs in v-dyno. I used the same weight for both and adjusted air temps to the reading at the start of the pull. I didn't adjust the barometric pressure. A stable psi doesn't mean more power. But it's always nice to know you are getting the most out of your setup.

Another downside is the other tuner doesn't log the VCT angles. Comparing your logs to mine (and a couple other stock turbo and cam cars) I can see your tuner is adding exhaust cam timing vs the logs on the stock turbo/cam cars maintaining the exhaust side VCT at about -0.4 from 4100 rpm to redline. Your exhaust cam VCT is timing is increasing from 4300 rpm almost inversely to your boost slope. But this is comparing apples to oranges and I don't have a good comparison to say it has anything to do with your issue.

I also added a comparison to my race gas tune . My pull was done in 4th, but the ratios are all in v-dyno. I adjusted all the charts for air temp at the start of the pull but not baro.

Good luck!

Thanks for checking. Actually i only checked wastegate before installing to make sure it does no leak. I suggested boost solenoid to tuner but was told it is not that based on data logs.

once @DavidMcC914 tests on his setup with twin port wastegate and is kind enough to report the results we will know if it may be something else or if indeed it was that

 

[White-RS2]

The twin port simply holds more boost at the upper Rev range where the standard PTE can and the standard single port seem to tail off.
The piper cams someone mentioned earlier the BP285T with duplex springs allow the best out of that TurboSmart twin port WGA, as you get a new red line of 7.5k and the cams and the twin port help to keep the power on song. Holding anything from 60-100bhp more 👍👍 not making more just holding more of what you have.
Drive ability with those cams and the NX2 is fine once you’ve done 3 or 4 outings you’d never know 👍

 

[RSt~n~peace]

Did you see this?

 

[mexrs]

Did you see this?

yes, saw it the other day. I believe the car in question belongs to @DavidMcC914

Once he tests twinport he will share results. he installed and sent them a datalog

 

[DavidMcC914]

yes, saw it the other day. I believe the car in question belongs to @DavidMcC914

Once he tests twinport he will share results. he installed and sent them a datalog

Not my car but very similar by the sounds of it. I’m running the Piper 285 cams and ported head. I’ve sent my first logs to Alex with the twin port and 4 bar TIP sensor so will see how we get on over the next few iterations

 

[White-RS2]

The UK car in the Stratified article is running the Ford Performance cams