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Something else to consider, if you're going to tune anyway, why does it matter if the previous owner was tuned? Especially if it was tuned by Mountune. Some other tuners, I'm not so sure about. Especially if you're only going to keep the cars for a few years.

If it has the yellow badge underneath the RS on the front and back, it likely has the M380 which was pretty much the Ford FPM375. I'm not super worried about that tune.
 

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Well, my carvana experience went pretty good. I chose to trade in my '18 ST3. It had 14K miles on it and in very good condition. I also had it paid off. Carvana's trade price came pretty high at 17,500. It was the best I had. So, the full amount was applied towards the RS I reserved, plus I added another 6K in cash to go with it. I chose to drive to Tampa's carvana location. About a 2 hour drive to pick it up and drop off the ST3 as the trade. I really wanted to spend some special good bye time with the ST. It was a fun drive on the back roads with very little traffic on a Saturday morning. I got there and looked over the RS and there were a few small items you couldn't tell from the internet pictures like a few scratches "mild" on the finish. It also had aftermarket Rota 18 inch wheels I didn't notice from the pictures and had fully tinted widows. It drove real nice with no issues. I think carvana could have done a better job cleaning it. I saw a mobil detailer working out of his van. I'm sure they just pay them to do it and don't put in much follow up. The RS I reserved was a '17 with a price of 32K and 10K miles on it. It's still under the factory warranty until September of 2020. Carvana had the tank full of gas and it had a fresh oil change. Question is did they fill it with 93 octane and did they use 5W/50 oil? I asked. He said they use manufacture recommended octane and oil. I don't know. Maybe yes, maybe no. I filled it today as it was almost empty with 93 octane and plan to have the dealer change the oil and rotate the tires soon.

As for the head gasket, carfax didn't list it as being done, but before I picked it up I called two Ford dealers in the Tampa area and asked for the service dept. Gave them the VIN #. They had no issues helping me out. Both dealers said there were no recalls issued for this vehicle and it was made in Feb/'17. This was before the new HG's were used. Did all affected RS's built before 7-6-17 get recall's? One dealer said Ford made these cars in batches and it's possible mine had the new gasket when it was built. I don't know, hopefully so. The car was actually sold in the Tampa area back in Sept/'17. All in all, my carvana experience went very good. I was in and out in less then an hour. The guy had everything ready for me. All I had to do was sign a few forms. They were straight forward and didn't re-neg on anything and I financed the balance with them at 3.9 %. I had made a few phone calls to them before reserving the vehicle so I could actually talk to a real person who could answer real questions. All calls were conducted in a professional manner and they were very courteous to me. I decided to keep the car and the 7 day return has gone. I spent all day today buffing the car with Griots Complete Compound and it came out beautiful and those small scratches are all gone. So, I'm really loving the RS. I have no regrets at all getting rid of the ST3, although I do miss the full leather interior and the carbon bits, but the fun factor 10X better. It's not my daily driver as my F150 takes those duties. I'll be giving her a good garaged home....
 

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Well, my carvana experience went pretty good. I chose to trade in my '18 ST3. It had 14K miles on it and in very good condition. I also had it paid off. Carvana's trade price came pretty high at 17,500. It was the best I had. So, the full amount was applied towards the RS I reserved, plus I added another 6K in cash to go with it. I chose to drive to Tampa's carvana location. About a 2 hour drive to pick it up and drop off the ST3 as the trade. I really wanted to spend some special good bye time with the ST. It was a fun drive on the back roads with very little traffic on a Saturday morning. I got there and looked over the RS and there were a few small items you couldn't tell from the internet pictures like a few scratches "mild" on the finish. It also had aftermarket Rota 18 inch wheels I didn't notice from the pictures and had fully tinted widows. It drove real nice with no issues. I think carvana could have done a better job cleaning it. I saw a mobil detailer working out of his van. I'm sure they just pay them to do it and don't put in much follow up. The RS I reserved was a '17 with a price of 32K and 10K miles on it. It's still under the factory warranty until September of 2020. Carvana had the tank full of gas and it had a fresh oil change. Question is did they fill it with 93 octane and did they use 5W/50 oil? I asked. He said they use manufacture recommended octane and oil. I don't know. Maybe yes, maybe no. I filled it today as it was almost empty with 93 octane and plan to have the dealer change the oil and rotate the tires soon.

As for the head gasket, carfax didn't list it as being done, but before I picked it up I called two Ford dealers in the Tampa area and asked for the service dept. Gave them the VIN #. They had no issues helping me out. Both dealers said there were no recalls issued for this vehicle and it was made in Feb/'17. This was before the new HG's were used. Did all affected RS's built before 7-6-17 get recall's? One dealer said Ford made these cars in batches and it's possible mine had the new gasket when it was built. I don't know, hopefully so. The car was actually sold in the Tampa area back in Sept/'17. All in all, my carvana experience went very good. I was in and out in less then an hour. The guy had everything ready for me. All I had to do was sign a few forms. They were straight forward and didn't re-neg on anything and I financed the balance with them at 3.9 %. I had made a few phone calls to them before reserving the vehicle so I could actually talk to a real person who could answer real questions. All calls were conducted in a professional manner and they were very courteous to me. I decided to keep the car and the 7 day return has gone. I spent all day today buffing the car with Griots Complete Compound and it came out beautiful and those small scratches are all gone. So, I'm really loving the RS. I have no regrets at all getting rid of the ST3, although I do miss the full leather interior and the carbon bits, but the fun factor 10X better. It's not my daily driver as my F150 takes those duties. I'll be giving her a good garaged home....
Double check on the head gasket issue. The info is on the forum. It's up until a certain build date which I thought yours was within.

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Well, my carvana experience went pretty good. I chose to trade in my '18 ST3. It had 14K miles on it and in very good condition. I also had it paid off. Carvana's trade price came pretty high at 17,500. It was the best I had. So, the full amount was applied towards the RS I reserved, plus I added another 6K in cash to go with it. I chose to drive to Tampa's carvana location. About a 2 hour drive to pick it up and drop off the ST3 as the trade. I really wanted to spend some special good bye time with the ST. It was a fun drive on the back roads with very little traffic on a Saturday morning. I got there and looked over the RS and there were a few small items you couldn't tell from the internet pictures like a few scratches "mild" on the finish. It also had aftermarket Rota 18 inch wheels I didn't notice from the pictures and had fully tinted widows. It drove real nice with no issues. I think carvana could have done a better job cleaning it. I saw a mobil detailer working out of his van. I'm sure they just pay them to do it and don't put in much follow up. The RS I reserved was a '17 with a price of 32K and 10K miles on it. It's still under the factory warranty until September of 2020. Carvana had the tank full of gas and it had a fresh oil change. Question is did they fill it with 93 octane and did they use 5W/50 oil? I asked. He said they use manufacture recommended octane and oil. I don't know. Maybe yes, maybe no. I filled it today as it was almost empty with 93 octane and plan to have the dealer change the oil and rotate the tires soon.

As for the head gasket, carfax didn't list it as being done, but before I picked it up I called two Ford dealers in the Tampa area and asked for the service dept. Gave them the VIN #. They had no issues helping me out. Both dealers said there were no recalls issued for this vehicle and it was made in Feb/'17. This was before the new HG's were used. Did all affected RS's built before 7-6-17 get recall's? One dealer said Ford made these cars in batches and it's possible mine had the new gasket when it was built. I don't know, hopefully so. The car was actually sold in the Tampa area back in Sept/'17. All in all, my carvana experience went very good. I was in and out in less then an hour. The guy had everything ready for me. All I had to do was sign a few forms. They were straight forward and didn't re-neg on anything and I financed the balance with them at 3.9 %. I had made a few phone calls to them before reserving the vehicle so I could actually talk to a real person who could answer real questions. All calls were conducted in a professional manner and they were very courteous to me. I decided to keep the car and the 7 day return has gone. I spent all day today buffing the car with Griots Complete Compound and it came out beautiful and those small scratches are all gone. So, I'm really loving the RS. I have no regrets at all getting rid of the ST3, although I do miss the full leather interior and the carbon bits, but the fun factor 10X better. It's not my daily driver as my F150 takes those duties. I'll be giving her a good garaged home....
Congratulations! The 5w50 that Ford specified is kinda like unicorn piss, also used on both Ford GTs and the GT350. I kinda doubt that they would have used it, you could get an analysis from blackstone labs to be sure, just ask the tech to save some of the used oil for it.
 

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I saw a ‘17 pop up locally but it has 21k miles on it & it’s priced at 33k. I wish the mileage was around 10-12k but it looks like a very nice vehicle. They likely won’t deal much, if any, on 33k. So that’s almost 38k OTD with 21k miles.


As a comparison, there’s a ‘17 with only 11k miles & the dealer wants 37k & will not budge. It’s no haggle & so that’s 40k OTD. Ugh, I keep telling myself to save 13k & buy an ST, but I just want that blue RS badge on the rear hatch.




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While you may save $13k on the initial purchase price by going with the ST, you could lose all of that in the long run because the ST's have been depreciating pretty heavily. My 2014 ST depreciated neearly $10k in 2 years.

The ST's are super fun cars, but I think the RS is a better buy for people who can afford the higher cost of entry. It all comes down to the difference in depreciation and the cars capabilities.
 

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I just purchased a 2016 CPO RS for 26k with 33,000 miles .A fully optioned car too. I think that was a good deal? A one owner car. In fact he never even opened the owners manual!
Picking it up next week! Just ordered the DSC sport controller.I had it on a previous car 2008 Porsche GT2 and it transformed it! Hoping for the same on the FOCUS RS!
 

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I just purchased a 2016 CPO RS for 26k with 33,000 miles .A fully optioned car too. I think that was a good deal? A one owner car. In fact he never even opened the owners manual!
Picking it up next week! Just ordered the DSC sport controller.I had it on a previous car 2008 Porsche GT2 and it transformed it! Hoping for the same on the FOCUS RS!



Well, how are you liking the RS so far? Anything that you love or hate about it, in the short time you’ve owned it? Prices on the RS are all over the place, depending how which state has it listed. Super frustrating.....




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Well I have to say , I love the car!
What a blast! I did the TPC module and the it really transformed the drive modes. I bought it as a winter daily driver. Driving to work has never Been so much fun!
It was a bargain for the enjoyment of shear driving fun!
Come summer time it will rest up for next winter. I bought it because I might as well have fun driving in the off car season.Now I can enjoy driving all year round!
 

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Dude, Ford didn’t authorize or acknowledge the recall till Jan ‘18. Even tho yes everyone knew.

Spring of ‘18 Ford ran out of parts, dealers where replacing heads that didn’t need it cause they didn’t want to do the work.

yes I am completely telling you Ford sold it with the issue unless your state had laws.
Lemon means the dealer prolly botched the job and the car never ran right again like so many others...

Dude sounds like you come lately to Ford dealers incompetence with the RS....
My RS had its recall done in January 2017 at Walnut Creek Ford. Not sure where you're getting this info from.
 

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Well, it’s Xmas eve & the end of the month & year are very close... I wonder if any dealers want to make a deal on any of these cars!




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Well, it’s Xmas eve & the end of the month & year are very close... I wonder if any dealers want to make a deal on any of these cars!




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Good luck getting deals, I know dealers want to move cars but unicorns are hard to find and move :)


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Good luck getting deals, I know dealers want to move cars but unicorns are hard to find and move :)


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Yep & I understand that to an extent, however I’m not going to be foolish & overpay for a 2-3yo car with 10-15k miles & limited warranty left. In other words, if the MSRP was 38k in ‘17, then the car isn’t worth 36k today with 15k miles on it. The reason the prices are still high is because guys are always willing to overpay & it ruins the market for the rest of us. There’s a Ford Dealer on the east coast that has a CPO ‘16 with only 4K miles for $29.9k. That’s a great deal, but unfortunately that price doesn’t exist in CA, unless the car has 40k miles on it.




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Yep & I understand that to an extent, however I’m not going to be foolish & overpay for a 2-3yo car with 10-15k miles & limited warranty left. In other words, if the MSRP was 38k in ‘17, then the car isn’t worth 36k today with 15k miles on it. The reason the prices are still high is because guys are always willing to overpay & it ruins the market for the rest of us. There’s a Ford Dealer on the east coast that has a CPO ‘16 with only 4K miles for $29.9k. That’s a great deal, but unfortunately that price doesn’t exist in CA, unless the car has 40k miles on it.




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Maybe you should find a car with 30k miles and get an extended warranty from Great white Buffalo, if the car has 20k miles after the head gasket issue, you should feel safer about it. I ran into a guy with a Focus SE with 235k mikes and still loves his car, jealous of RS power and fun but...
 

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I got a stupid offer on my 15k mile 18 NB 2-3 weeks ago on a new 2018 GT350. But, I live in the Rockies, RWD Mustang GT350s are not quite in demand in December and an AWD hot hatch with snow tires is.

I flat out told another dealer they wayyyy over paid on trade in for another GT350 (18, tech pack, 11.5k miles, they paid $46k on trade in for a 4Runner). We're asking $47k of me, offering me $32k on the Focus.

Other than that, I have found I've been getting a $2-5k premium over KBB on the Focus on trade in when looking at RWD 526-717hp muscle cars. In some cases, I've offered the OEM RS snow tires. On all 3 occasions, I told them it's not a value/money thing, it's a your muscle car just isn't as good as the RS for my day to day life.
 

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My thoughts are that these will become more desirable as time marches on. With just 3 year production and the performance bang for the dollar .History may repeat itself and it could be come like the Escort RS of European game!
I personally don’t care one way or the other, but am in awe of how much fun this car is!
I think of it as a winter Ford GT!
 

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Resale is going to largely track Evo and STI numbers in my opinion. STIs really hold their value well (except that Type RS!), and good luck finding a functioning Evo 8 for under $15-20k. Even 10s are still around $20k. I think if you own an RS, and keep it largely stock, or easily returned to stock, you've made a great purchase from a resale and value perspective.

This is sort of why I'm always after "halo" cars. Going with say a Focus RS over an ST, Audi RS over an S, STI over WRX (despite WRXs holding their value extremely well), etc. Except AMGs. Those things depreciate to $0 in a decade! :p

I love talking about this stuff. But we can talk about this until we're blue in the face, only time will tell. I think economic conditions and interest rates will really dictate resale on these cars for the next few years.

I'm personally at that sweet spot of coming up on 2 years of ownership and already have equity at trade in value. I have been pretty aggressive with payments and am on pace to own the car outright in an additional 2-3 years. Between the RS and my wife's 4Runner, we picked some cars that really hold their value. And both are pretty sweet in their own respect.
 

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Which RS would you choose If both were priced at 30k.?

1. 2016 Shadow Black RS with 11k miles, RS2 w/ black wheels? Build date 05/16


2. 2017 Frozen White RS2 w/ black wheels but 21k miles. Build date 09/17.


Both priced at 30k, would you take the car with less miles even if it was black?





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Which RS would you choose If both were priced at 30k.?

1. 2016 Shadow Black RS with 11k miles, RS2 w/ black wheels? Build date 05/16


2. 2017 Frozen White RS2 w/ black wheels but 21k miles. Build date 09/17.


Both priced at 30k, would you take the car with less miles even if it was black?





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SG with Carbon ceramics and Euro Recaro seats
 
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