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The next mod for the car is going to be a tune. I was looking at Mountune for the tune with the Cobb AP. When I was going through the options though with certain mods it bumps the price up to nearly $1,200. I assume even if you don't start with said options, but add them within the retune period that they will charge extra for that as well. After that period you have to pay for a whole new tune.
I also looked at Tune+ and theirs is 675+ assuming 350 for the unlimited tunes with 50 every tune after your original 30 day period.
I have also seen mention of reputable tuners that offer lifetime tunes, but haven't been able to find the references on this site again. I was wondering which is the most economical to go with and how many times people have actually used the retune features on their cars. Also I have seen people mention that once tuned the computer doesn't like to work with other systems. Is that true? Thanks.
 

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The Mountune Accessport is limited to their tunes only and I understand it cannot be uninstalled from the customers car and sold. Also the number of gauges available to display is very limited to circa 10. Tune+ and Stratified allow full access to all gauges and support multiple tunes from all Cobb Protuners. You can also uninstall the AccessPort and sell it.


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The Mountune Accessport is limited to their tunes only and I understand it cannot be uninstalled from the customers car and sold. Also the number of gauges available to display is very limited to circa 10. Tune+ and Stratified allow full access to all gauges and support multiple tunes from all Cobb Protuners. You can also uninstall the AccessPort and sell it.


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This isnt true at all. Only the m380 kit is locked. All the other mountune tuners are the same Cobb accessport as everybody else. You can put whatever you want on it.

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Sorry, so you are saying that the Mountune AccessPort with the M375 package is unlocked and can hold other tuners tunes? It can be uninstalled from the car and sold to another RS owner? And it allows all OEM gauges to be displayed if selected?


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Sorry, so you are saying that the Mountune AccessPort with the M375 package is unlocked and can hold other tuners tunes? It can be uninstalled from the car and sold to another RS owner? And it allows all OEM gauges to be displayed if selected?


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No he is saying that only THAT(M packages) package is locked, if you buy the regular accessport with their custom tune or any of the "B" packages, you can put any tune you want on there
 

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The next mod for the car is going to be a tune. I was looking at Mountune for the tune with the Cobb AP. When I was going through the options though with certain mods it bumps the price up to nearly $1,200. I assume even if you don't start with said options, but add them within the retune period that they will charge extra for that as well. After that period you have to pay for a whole new tune.
I also looked at Tune+ and theirs is 675+ assuming 350 for the unlimited tunes with 50 every tune after your original 30 day period.
I have also seen mention of reputable tuners that offer lifetime tunes, but haven't been able to find the references on this site again. I was wondering which is the most economical to go with and how many times people have actually used the retune features on their cars. Also I have seen people mention that once tuned the computer doesn't like to work with other systems. Is that true? Thanks.
The only tuner i'm aware of that offers lifetime free tunes for this car is Livernois. Cobb you technically get their OTS tunes free as well, but their OTS tunes are very conservative.

Most of the tuners using Accessport will charge you for updates beyond the tuning period. Although I can't really recommend Stratified anymore as their business model has gotten insane. They will charge you for updates that they make to their OTS tune, which is absurd to me. I could see charging for fueling changes/requests, but to charge for an update, presumably something that is correcting an issue in their own tune, is not good business practice in my opinion.
 

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The next mod for the car is going to be a tune. I was looking at Mountune for the tune with the Cobb AP. When I was going through the options though with certain mods it bumps the price up to nearly $1,200. I assume even if you don't start with said options, but add them within the retune period that they will charge extra for that as well. After that period you have to pay for a whole new tune.
I also looked at Tune+ and theirs is 675+ assuming 350 for the unlimited tunes with 50 every tune after your original 30 day period.
I have also seen mention of reputable tuners that offer lifetime tunes, but haven't been able to find the references on this site again. I was wondering which is the most economical to go with and how many times people have actually used the retune features on their cars. Also I have seen people mention that once tuned the computer doesn't like to work with other systems. Is that true? Thanks.
PD tuning offers lifetime tunes I believe for $300. I have it and Ryan is very easy to work with. Got both the pump gas and E30 for that price.
 

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Livernois is indeed free upgrades for life. I’ve never had to pay for an update. Plus if I sell the car I can take the tuner with me and if they support the car I buy next I get those tunes also. So you are buying the tuner itself not the tunes. Works good for me because all my stuff ends up being ecoboost so I just drag the programmer for car to car.
 

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Tune+ offers single time tune and lifetime tune. The only caveat is if you go with aux port fuel, which makes total sense considering you're adding another computer to the car.
 

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I’ve worked with a few tuners since owning the ecoboost platforms from mountune to Dizzy, tune+, JST, Panda, and CP-E. I’ll soon be working with tuned by Nishan. Most of the tuners offer updates and lifetime tuning options, provided you don’t change any modifications most update tunes are free. If your going to be adding a new part like a downpipe or intercooler then they charge you an upgrade fee for the retune to better utilize the new component. I know going form pump to ethanol blends they will charge you an up charge because they have to now create a whole new file to start from the beginning again. If you plan on upgrading parts while tuning I would suggest you talk to the tuners to see who works best for you. All of them are pretty friendly and can answer your questions some can seem like ****head but they also have a rep as a great tuner.


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@Moxboost the point of a lifetime tune is to NOT charge when new parts are added (except in the case of aux fuel). Even a turbo upgrade is covered under some lifetime tunes.
 

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I’ve worked with a few tuners since owning the ecoboost platforms from mountune to Dizzy, tune+, JST, Panda, and CP-E. I’ll soon be working with tuned by Nishan. Most of the tuners offer updates and lifetime tuning options, provided you don’t change any modifications most update tunes are free. If your going to be adding a new part like a downpipe or intercooler then they charge you an upgrade fee for the retune to better utilize the new component. I know going form pump to ethanol blends they will charge you an up charge because they have to now create a whole new file to start from the beginning again. If you plan on upgrading parts while tuning I would suggest you talk to the tuners to see who works best for you. All of them are pretty friendly and can answer your questions some can seem like ****head but they also have a rep as a great tuner.


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@Moxboost - looks like you've worked with a ton of tuners. Guessing each had their advantages/disadv, but you are still working with more. Each one had too many disadv to stick with one?
 

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As stated before, i only have good things to say about PD. lifetime tune with no charge even as you add new components. there is a caveat with aux fueling, but 93 and E30 are included in the lifetime. we just finished up my baseline and now i am putting my FMIC in and we are starting the E30.

Ryan is great!

Edit: PD tuning is Purple Drank Tuning
 

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Just buy the AP from Cobb direct. They have stock tunes for stage 1, 2, 2+ for free. Depending on upgrades. Some ppl here are going to say a custom tune is the only way to go blah blah blah. I just got the stage 1 tune loaded as all I have is the Cobb air filter as of now. Let me tell you this power increase is more then enough, it's like a whole new car and you also have the piece of mind that it's conservative and won't blow your engine. Yes I know a tuner can make it conservative also but why pay the extra money when Cobb does it for you.
 

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Yes I know a tuner can make it conservative also but why pay the extra money when Cobb does it for you.
Agreed with most of what you said but I would argue that you save more money by buying your AP from a tuner. Most tuners sell the AP for the same price and they already come with a custom tune. You can then go to Connect for the OTS tunes if you desire.
 

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Yes I know a tuner can make it conservative also but why pay the extra money when Cobb does it for you.
Agreed with most of what you said but I would argue that you save more money by buying your AP from a tuner. Most tuners sell the AP for the same price and they already come with a custom tune. You can then go to Connect for the OTS tunes if you desire.
yes I do agree with this. I was wrong in the way I said it. My point was that the ots tunes are real good without have to pony up the $ for custom. Weather there from Cobb, tune+, strat or whoever. Mine is actually from tune+ but I run the Cobb ots.
 

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Just buy the AP from Cobb direct. They have stock tunes for stage 1, 2, 2+ for free. Depending on upgrades. Some ppl here are going to say a custom tune is the only way to go blah blah blah. I just got the stage 1 tune loaded as all I have is the Cobb air filter as of now. Let me tell you this power increase is more then enough, it's like a whole new car and you also have the piece of mind that it's conservative and won't blow your engine. Yes I know a tuner can make it conservative also but why pay the extra money when Cobb does it for you.
Hey so I download and have been playing a lot with the Accesstuner software as well as the EFI little course they make you take. I also have experience with piggy back tuning from other platforms, and COBB tunes are truly so unsatisfying. They went and built all this custom features with completely new maps and mode for wastegate management and fuel mapping and don't use any of it. And yes you could set this up to be conservative and VERY flexible while still extracting more power safely. My only gripe with the 3rd party tuning vendors isn't the price, hell i would be willing to pay more even, if they didn't lock out there tunes. (and this argument has been going on for years in the subby community). For me the biggest problem is 1: not being able to see what maps where changed to see how many, if any, compensation tables are being run as well as thresholds as well as not being able to having the tunes refined based on application without hoping the data logs on street pulls are enough.
 

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Just buy the AP from Cobb direct. They have stock tunes for stage 1, 2, 2+ for free. Depending on upgrades. Some ppl here are going to say a custom tune is the only way to go blah blah blah. I just got the stage 1 tune loaded as all I have is the Cobb air filter as of now. Let me tell you this power increase is more then enough, it's like a whole new car and you also have the piece of mind that it's conservative and won't blow your engine. Yes I know a tuner can make it conservative also but why pay the extra money when Cobb does it for you.

Yeeah weil here's that guy....Blah..blah..there is a reason we say avoid the OTS tunes
The OTS tunes are garbage, especially the cobb, I over layed a bunch of data pulls with them against a proper tune and its night and day....and I have heard some stories of OTS tunes causing issues. No OTS map owner is going to stand behind it should you ever have problems. it isn't meant for long term generic use its a starting point for tuning, you can assume it's conservative, but that's your assumption. especially if you go beyond stage 1, why spend $1000s of dollars on mods and then cheap out on a $500 proper tune? They are there as a starting point, to get some pull data and make changes.

Its like buying nice Z rated summer tires and under inflating them and saying way better than my snow tires, why do anything else, good enough?
Its short sited and penny foolish....
 
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