[JamoRS]

Ok, I need an advice!
I took my car to a dealership for a small oil leak, and after I collected the car, I have way more severe oil leaks now.
They have "resealed" the timing cover, and the valve cover (even though it was not leaking) and now it's leaking.
Should I take the car back to the same dealership? Or take it to another one?
Knowing that I contacted Ford and I talked to the regional manager who will call the dealer to make sure they fix it right. (Does that sound like BS to you?)
What do you guys think? View attachment 342333

What do I think ?
I think your service guy is an absolute shonk! If they returned my car like that I would of went nuts at them and made them pay to tow it elsewhere and have it rectified at their expense!
That is shi7 work.

 

[Tongue Twinster]

The guy who used 10 tubes of TA-30 on that repair is my hero!
I should take that picture and send it to Ford Europe for the hall of fame.

 

[GmpaJimj]

Every now an then, I come up speechless

 

[phillofoc]

I suppose it was worth a shot? But then again, I've never found that applying silicone sealant to the outside of a leak really fixes anything. Just makes a bigger mess. Either that or "tech" used so much sealant it allowed a leak to develop due to poor sealing.

What exact work did they do? Do you have the receipt? I'd be surprised if they actually tore the engine apart properly to fix it.

 

[Swissayon]

My 2016 Focus RS 86k miles just had the Valve Cover Gasket replaced and Front Cover resealed as well as the instrument cluster replaced. I first realized that an issue existed when I switched my Spark Plug and #2 & 3 were wet. I also had to add a quart of oil following a one day on the Track. I did request pictures but only got outside pictures prior to disassembly and repairs. Could those two items have hidden damage within the engine? silver lining is that I did purchase an extended warranty for this car 5years 123k miles

 

[Tongue Twinster]

I got news from my dealer of a potential solution.
They are going to use custom parts to fix the issue and have called a specialist to assist.
I have zero confidence that my car will be fixed.

 

[JamoRS]

I got news from my dealer of a potential solution.
They are going to use custom parts to fix the issue and have called a specialist to assist.
I have zero confidence that my car will be fixed.

Care to elaborate?

 

[lucky phil]

I got news from my dealer of a potential solution.
They are going to use custom parts to fix the issue and have called a specialist to assist.
I have zero confidence that my car will be fixed.

I'd be interested to see their solution.

Ciao

 

[Tongue Twinster]

I do not know yet the full picture as the diagnostic seems to have changed.
Latest I have on my car is that the timing chain cover, head gasket, head cover are all fine.

The turbo line is leaking and they will replace it completely.
In addition, they will no longer use the standard crushers/gaskets/seals for it.
The RS expert claims that copper used by Ford has a higher chance of failure than other materials.
On other RS models, they have successfully fixed this leak by using something that can keep its seal better.
I could not join the dealership to find out more.
Once I have the full picture I shall share the information.

 

[JamoRS]

The old turbo feed line story....again.....FFS... they love going around in circles dont they!
Still interested to hear where this goes!!

 

[lucky phil]

I do not know yet the full picture as the diagnostic seems to have changed.
Latest I have on my car is that the timing chain cover, head gasket, head cover are all fine.

The turbo line is leaking and they will replace it completely.
In addition, they will no longer use the standard crushers/gaskets/seals for it.
The RS expert claims that copper used by Ford has a higher chance of failure than other materials.
On other RS models, they have successfully fixed this leak by using something that can keep its seal better.
I could not join the dealership to find out more.
Once I have the full picture I shall share the information.

Bullshit, pure and simple. I've been using copper and aluminium crush washers on banjos longer than most here on this board have been alive. If an "RS expert" told me that I'd slap him.

Ciao

 

[Tongue Twinster]

Well, they already fixed the turbo line seals twice so I guess we are working on the principle third time lucky. Everything else has been fixed three times already so why not this ? Hence my earlier remark.


I want to have this car fixed as I love to drive it. At the same time I just want to be done with it because since the February 2018 recall I had leaks at various intervals. I have yet to develop the PTU seal leak. I guess I am one item short of Leak Bingo.



I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble but if you have developed a leak and do not have the ability to take the car to a specialised shop, you need to brace yourself for leaks galore.


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[JamoRS]

Bullshit, pure and simple. I've been using copper and aluminium crush washers on banjos longer than most here on this board have been alive. If an "RS expert" told me that I'd slap him.

Ciao

I have to agree wholeheartedly once again.

 

[KHoff]

Looking at the manual, replacing the turbo oil feed line looks pretty straight forward. Any thing to be aware of that I'm not seeing? Figured if they are still saying it's the feed line and not covered by warranty, I might as well replace it. Back in the shop after they added dye and I drove it for a couple hundred miles.

 

[JamoRS]

yep, be aware its a waste of time and will not be, or fix, the issue.

 

[Azeedia]

Wow, just wow.

 

[Tongue Twinster]

We agreed on a plan of action with my dealership.
It took a while but I have been given 4 choices.

1. Buyback with a potential purchase from them.
2. Buyback without a potential purchase from them.
3. Fixing the car and extension of warranty on the engine until the car changes ownership. As long as I am the owner of this vehicle, they will fix all my engine problems in warranty.
4. Allow them to fix the car and choose option 1 or 2 at a later stage.

Even with the aforesaid, it was agreed that the car will be fixed as I want the option to shop elsewhere so to say. After researching potential prices and seeing the offer I received, even with 3 buyers lined up for my car from my current dealership, I will not be able to purchase anything remotely similar. The second hand market is abundant with vehicles but I am not too keen on a 4-5 year old vehicle with 30 or 50k miles.

My current shopping list includes :

1. Audi RS3 2019. Second hand versions will require a 10-15k money supplement from my pocket with a trade in.
2. Audi RS3 2020. Cannot be ordered as the new version will show up in 1.5 years. It will have 5 cyl/450 crank hp and a drift happy Quattro.
3. BMW M2 Competition. Second hand versions are too expensive for the mileage. They also have a potential design flaw which would mean that , with my luck, the engine will have to be opened up and the parts replaced.
4. BMW M2 Competition. This would require me to put down 20k extra but the vehicle will be new. Full warranty and potentially BMW fixed the inherent crank hub failure. A big no against this car is the two door and lack of quattro.
5. AMG 45s . Second hand, too expensive.
6. AMG 45s. New too expensive for my budget.
7. Mustang GT Fastback 2018 would require additional investment on my side even for a second hand vehicle.


Bottom line, as I have my budget planned for something else, I need to accept a big downgrade and trade my car in for something else. Until I make that decision, they will fix the car so I can use it.

 

[GmpaJimj]

Never forget, this is a maintenance dept. that ”caulked” a leak.
IMHO, their power of negotiating future repairs = “0”
That being said....for me, the thought of leaving the RS is...well...unthinkable.
My friend, I don’t envy your decision.
Edit: But, it’s good you have a choice!

 

[phillofoc]

We agreed on a plan of action with my dealership.
It took a while but I have been given 4 choices.

1. Buyback with a potential purchase from them.
2. Buyback without a potential purchase from them.
3. Fixing the car and extension of warranty on the engine until the car changes ownership. As long as I am the owner of this vehicle, they will fix all my engine problems in warranty.
4. Allow them to fix the car and choose option 1 or 2 at a later stage.

Even with the aforesaid, it was agreed that the car will be fixed as I want the option to shop elsewhere so to say. After researching potential prices and seeing the offer I received, even with 3 buyers lined up for my car from my current dealership, I will not be able to purchase anything remotely similar. The second hand market is abundant with vehicles but I am not too keen on a 4-5 year old vehicle with 30 or 50k miles.

My current shopping list includes :

1. Audi RS3 2019. Second hand versions will require a 10-15k money supplement from my pocket with a trade in.
2. Audi RS3 2020. Cannot be ordered as the new version will show up in 1.5 years. It will have 5 cyl/450 crank hp and a drift happy Quattro.
3. BMW M2 Competition. Second hand versions are too expensive for the mileage. They also have a potential design flaw which would mean that , with my luck, the engine will have to be opened up and the parts replaced.
4. BMW M2 Competition. This would require me to put down 20k extra but the vehicle will be new. Full warranty and potentially BMW fixed the inherent crank hub failure. A big no against this car is the two door and lack of quattro.
5. AMG 45s . Second hand, too expensive.
6. AMG 45s. New too expensive for my budget.
7. Mustang GT Fastback 2018 would require additional investment on my side even for a second hand vehicle.


Bottom line, as I have my budget planned for something else, I need to accept a big downgrade and trade my car in for something else. Until I make that decision, they will fix the car so I can use it.

Any luck with them sending the cylinder head off to be machined at your expense? I'd personally take #3, unless you were going to go big turbo Golf R with a DSG. That would be a riot but you'd lose a lot of the character of the RS.

 

[Ian.betsho]

I went through the same exact scenario about a month ago. The replacement of the timing cover gasket did the trick. No leaks since then.

Hi. I have a leaking timing cover seal and Ford told
me that the alloy timing cover does not have a gasket, but is sealed with a sealant. The only gasket replacement is the rocker cover gasket which has to come off to remove the timing cover. Is that what you mean? Thanks