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I currently drive a F30 335i with a lease up in the spring of 2016. This was my second 335i and third BMW and I think I am ready for a change. I don't know how to drive stick but I always admired the MK2 RS and the FoST. For my next car I knew I didn't want another 3 series and there was some criteria I wanted fulfilled. It needed to be AWD due to the awful winters in NY, 0-60 < 5 seconds, as I didn't want to give up the performance I have been used to, some kind of "exclusivity" to it such as a special model or top of the line version that you just don't see a lot of, I also really like hatch backs, additionally since I never learned how to drive stick, a manual always never seemed like a good choice.

I have been considering the Jaguar XE-S (With its supercharged 340hp V6 with available green paint which I always wanted in a car and superior handling to the 3 series), the Golf R (Delivering performance, exclusivity, and a hatch for much less than I have been paying), and the BMW M235i xDrive (A familiar car making a little more power and being a good deal sportier than my current ride).

The Focus RS however has always been a dream car and with the manual only spec I was discouraged when it was first announced. Though recently I got a chance to give driving a manual a spin in a friend's toyota matrix and it started to click for me, and the RS appeared much more realistic once I got the hang of driving stick.

I know there is a big difference between a toyota and the RS but it is something I think I can learn and enjoy. Hopefully I can get a little more seat time in a stick before taking delivery of an RS.
 

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I currently drive a F30 335i with a lease up in the spring of 2016. This was my second 335i and third BMW and I think I am ready for a change. I don't know how to drive stick but I always admired the MK3 RS and the FoST. For my next car I knew I didn't want another 3 series and there was some criteria I wanted fulfilled. It needed to be AWD due to the awful winters in NY, 0-60 . 5 seconds, as I didn't want to give up the performance I have been used to, some kind of "exclusivity" to it such as a special model or top of the line version that you just don't see a lot of, I also really like hatch backs, additionally since I never learned how to drive stick, a manual always never seemed like a god choice.

I have been considering the Jaguar XE-S (With its supercharged 340hp V6 with available green paint which I always wanted in a car and superior handling to the 3 series), the Golf R (Delivering performance, exclusivity, and a hatch for much less than I have been paying), and the BMW M235i xDrive (A familiar car making a little more power and being a good deal sportier than my current ride).

The Focus RS however has always been a dream car and with the manual only spec I was discouraged when it was first announced. Though recently I got a change to give driving a manual a spin in a friend toyota matrix and it started to click for me, and the RS appeared much more realistic once I got the hang of driving stick.

I know there is a big difference between a toyota and the RS but it is something I think I can learn and enjoy. Hopefully I can get a little more seat time in a stick before taking delivery of an RS.
I know how you feel as I currently drive a 525i, which I love, yet I need/want to return to a sports car. I drove nothing but MR2's for 21yrs (my very first Toyota was a 1985 Corolla GTS) and it is time once again to have fun. As you do I also have a balance but mine will not end for another 3yrs at my current payment rate so I have decided to triple my monthly payment and pay it off in one year so I can buy my RS asap.
 

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You'll learn stick quick. Just get all the gear grinding and clutch dumps out of the way on your friends car. Wouldn't be a good feeling on a brand new RS.
 

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You'll learn stick quick. Just get all the gear grinding and clutch dumps out of the way on your friends car. Wouldn't be a good feeling on a brand new RS.
To get into the habit of things I have been driving manually in my current car, moving my left foot mimicking pressing on a clutch, taking foot off gas when I shift and using shifter instead of paddles...probably look like an idiot but anything helps I guess
 

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To get into the habit of things I have been driving manually in my current car, moving my left foot mimicking pressing on a clutch, taking foot off gas when I shift and using shifter instead of paddles...probably look like an idiot but anything helps I guess
Wow! Driving a manual is not rocket science it just takes practice in a REAL car with a REAL manual trans and not in fantasy land.
 

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Wow! Driving a manual is not rocket science it just takes practice in a REAL car with a REAL manual trans and not in fantasy land.
Access to a real manual prior to getting my RS is very very very restricted unfortunately
 

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You have plenty of time (almost 1yr) to learn and gain experience with a manual before the RS wets it's boot's in the US, you can do it.
I hope so, I have a dealer saying that they expect 2 on their lot by October/November 2015.

That there almost puts me in a panic.
 

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A good way to learn stick:
1) get beater car when lease expires (you can pay for it with the insurance savings from getting out of your 335i, maybe?).
2) go around town early on a Sunday morning with someone who knows how to drive stick. Proceed slowly from parking lot to streets, etc.
3) drive a stick and stockpile your thalers while awaiting that RS goodness to come down a tick in price.

New York has a ton of stickshift beaters, as will most any other town. I am very fond of old VWs, when they run, and Hondas of any variety.

new york cars & trucks - craigslist
 

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I don't mean to discourage you from buying an RS, but if you are not a true auto enthusiast it is not the car for you. My opinion is that an RS should only be purchased by those who have been waiting 20 years for one to come to the US (Since Escort Cosworth RS was introduced---not sold in the US). If you currently drive an automatic transmission car, I don't consider you (anyone) a real enthusiast. I mean no disrespect but this is a truly special car and should be treated as one.
 

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I think i'm in a similar situation. I've practiced a bit in my friend's civic si, and have driven around in select shift mode while imagining the clutch pedal hahaa, but shifting in the real thing does feel better
 

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I think i'm in a similar situation. I've practiced a bit in my friend's civic si, and have driven around in select shift mode while imagining the clutch pedal hahaa, but shifting in the real thing does feel better
Civic Si is manual only, so you have actaully been shifting with a clutch
 

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If you currently drive an automatic transmission car, I don't consider you (anyone) a real enthusiast.
Hold your horses there buddy and stop being so critical and judgmental and basically misinformed. My BMW is auto simply because I fight bumper to bumper traffic on a daily basis and a auto is a much better daily commuter imo. Just because I now drive a auto does not take anything, not even .00001%, away from me or others being a true enthusiast. Your comment is ignorant and by your logic I should discount every manual trans vehicle I have ever owned and/or driven just because I now drive an auto.

The manual cars I have owned are as follows...
1. '76 Datsun p/u
2. '85 Toyota MR2
3. '87 Toyota MR2
4. '88 Toyota MR2
5. '92 Toyota MR2T
6. '95 Lexus SC300 w/2jzgte T78 swap
7. '99 Mazda Miata
8. '67 VW Bug

Am I NOT an enthusiast?
 

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Civic Si is manual only, so you have actaully been shifting with a clutch
Haha sorry i meant that I've been practicing in my friend's Civic Si a few times, and I have also been driving separately in my Focus in select shift mode + some imagination.

Only learned automatic late, as I've never needed to drive in NYC. However I've been in Michigan ever since college, so now I'm trying to prep myself for an RS too :)
 

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I don't mean to discourage you from buying an RS, but if you are not a true auto enthusiast it is not the car for you. My opinion is that an RS should only be purchased by those who have been waiting 20 years for one to come to the US (Since Escort Cosworth RS was introduced---not sold in the US). If you currently drive an automatic transmission car, I don't consider you (anyone) a real enthusiast. I mean no disrespect but this is a truly special car and should be treated as one.
lolwut
 

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A lot of people bought evo 10s with hardly any previous manual transmission experience and then all wasted their clutches in no time at all. Hopefully that's not the case with you. Go rent a car for a weekend with a manual trans.
 
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