[misterchonger]

Hey all. An update and a question for us Tractive owners. After taping the plug on the front-left damper, no full stiff events for a few months now. Yay!

Now the question. How are you guys managing front wheel hop on launches? Especially when the steering wheel is turned? I have the "launch" tab set pretty soft, but I thought that was just for when you "stab the throttle" and set launch mode. Any insight is appreciated, thanks!

What is "pretty soft"? Would be nice to see your "Launch Start" and "Launch End" settings on the accel tab. I don't really notice a lot of wheel hop but I wouldn't say my launches during AutoX are very extreme either. In general, I've had to dial back the maximum values in the shock calibration. Allowing the shocks to get that stiff induces some unwanted behavior.

 

[phillofoc]

What is "pretty soft"? Would be nice to see your "Launch Start" and "Launch End" settings on the accel tab. I don't really notice a lot of wheel hop but I wouldn't say my launches during AutoX are very extreme either. In general, I've had to dial back the maximum values in the shock calibration. Allowing the shocks to get that stiff induces some unwanted behavior.

It's been a while since I have had a chance to tinker with the settings. I thought the launch tab was only activated when you give a quick stab of the throttle?

I ended up flashing the normal settings @Northish shared with us. Fixed the wheel hop, some crashiness, and floatiness at highway speeds.

Was going to do a HPDE event in December, but now scheduled for a work trip. Guess I'll have to wait until January but it gives me time to install braided lines and Damond bushings on the rear calipers.

 

[MrSeth]

Hey guys, 124 spider owner here.
I came here looking to talk to more people with tractive suspension, I have the ND miata system with the 1st gen controller
I've been getting more issues with the system going full stiff and showing an error. I'm not sure how sensitive this system is to voltage fluctuations, I had to recharge my almost 3yr old battery recently.
I do plan on upgrading to the touch screen controller along with slightly soften springs.
Any tips/suggestions to avoid errors and keep it working as intended?

 

[DeanHart]

Hey guys, 124 spider owner here.
I came here looking to talk to more people with tractive suspension, I have the ND miata system with the 1st gen controller
I've been getting more issues with the system going full stiff and showing an error. I'm not sure how sensitive this system is to voltage fluctuations, I had to recharge my almost 3yr old battery recently.
I do plan on upgrading to the touch screen controller along with slightly soften springs.
Any tips/suggestions to avoid errors and keep it working as intended?

Not sure on your controller, the RS system uses the DSC box.

Connectivity is the most common 'full stiff' cause. Get busy with your multimeter and check all connections!

Do you have data logging capability or stored error logs?

 

[phillofoc]

Hey guys, 124 spider owner here.
I came here looking to talk to more people with tractive suspension, I have the ND miata system with the 1st gen controller
I've been getting more issues with the system going full stiff and showing an error. I'm not sure how sensitive this system is to voltage fluctuations, I had to recharge my almost 3yr old battery recently.
I do plan on upgrading to the touch screen controller along with slightly soften springs.
Any tips/suggestions to avoid errors and keep it working as intended?

Our controller is different than yours as we use the DSC box.

+1 on what @DeanHart said. Check your connections. I had a hairline crack in the front dampers that would allow the plug to slowly (over the course of months) loosen to the point where the system would go full stiff. I ended up replacing both front connections with weatherproof pigtails from ebay. I went with 14AWG, but you can probably get away with a thinner wire as I think the wiring from the damper was 20AWG anyway. 20AWG is safe power-wise but I didn't want to mess around with having to do it twice.

 

[MrSeth]

No data logging capability, my controller allows dampening, pitch and roll adjustments. The combination of LEDs blinking indicate a voltage issue, so I guess I'll bust out the multimeter.
They did give me the option of upgrading to the DSC box, but I want to see how tractive's latest controller works

 

[phillofoc]

No data logging capability, my controller allows dampening, pitch and roll adjustments. The combination of LEDs blinking indicate a voltage issue, so I guess I'll bust out the multimeter.
They did give me the option of upgrading to the DSC box, but I want to see how tractive's latest controller works

A weak battery can also cause issues with at least the DSC box. Not sure about the Tractive, but it might be worth keeping the car on a battery tender to see if the problems go away.

 

[braap]

I always wondered why we did DSC when Tractive has their own

 

[misterchonger]

I always wondered why we did DSC when Tractive has their own

DSC got their foot in the door first with their controller on the OEM shocks.

There are pros and cons with both controllers. In my opinion, the DSC box allows more dynamic function and integrates better with the existing vehicle data and drive modes. It has access to existing steering rate, brake pressure, vehicle speed, and G-sensor. Which is all used for certain customizations.

The Tractive controller is standalone and the G-sensor is in the controller so it's not as easy as just tossing it in the glove box. Not to say, you couldn't go about it this way of course.

 

[braap]

DSC got their foot in the door first with their controller on the OEM shocks.

There are pros and cons with both controllers. In my opinion, the DSC box allows more dynamic function and integrates better with the existing vehicle data and drive modes. It has access to existing steering rate, brake pressure, vehicle speed, and G-sensor. Which is all used for certain customizations.

The Tractive controller is standalone and the G-sensor is in the controller so it's not as easy as just tossing it in the glove box. Not to say, you couldn't go about it this way of course.

Thanks. That all makes sense, especially the part about Tractive not integrating with vehicle systems.