Love Morel but those are $500 here, so hard to recommend as a good value first upgrade. We must come across as spoiled rich guys
haha, yeah it's not an entry level price tag on those speakers, but I am just blown away at the difference in sound they have over the stock junk. You could probably go anywhere and buy $100 speakers though, and they would probably still blow the stock speakers out of the water. For my system, I've done the cheap setups in the past, and I've been mostly happy with them, but the RS is a car i'm going to keep for a long time so I don't want to cheap out on anything in it. Even though the components I bought have been expensive, I know they'll last a long time and sound amazing, so in the long run it's well worth it to me to pay a bit more for the premium stuff.Love Morel but those are $500 here, so hard to recommend as a good value first upgrade. We must come across as spoiled rich guys
Hi mate. I think I'm getting an undeserved reputation as some sort of audio guru based on the subwoofer thread. I'm really not. Just an enthusiast. I was an Air Electronics Analyst in the Air Force so I've spent a lot of time dealing with audio analysis, acoustics systems, comms etc which probably led to this interest in/need for good car audio systems.
I know there are several professional audio installers on the forum and it would probably be a good idea to start a new thread askIng this question. I think you'd get plenty of more expert opinion and I think lots of other forum members would be interested.
In my opinion though, the cheapest first option would be a simple swap of the front factory speakers with somethng like the Focal R165S2 which work well even without an amp and are $150 on ryda.com.au. Just leave the factory rears. The Alpine SPR 60C is better but $215 on RYDA. Focals are more accurate, laid-back and natural sounding, Alpine are brighter (more treble, harsher) and better for rock/metal etc. Go to Autobarn, or whoever has a wide, good quality range on display, and compare to see what suits your tastes. That's all that really matters. If you do go for this 'speaker only upgrade' chose a component set with high sensitivity (above 90 dB at least) to get max volume out of your factory head unit/amp.
The next step up would be to add a decent 2-channel amp to drive those front speakers only. That would cost another $150+. You'd need to do some wiring too. You might then feel that the bass is lackng.
If by "sound depth" you mean just bass, then a middle range class D mono block (small and powerul) like the Pioneer GM-D8601would cost about $200. Combine that with a 10 inch sub if you want tight, fast, accurate base or a 12 inch if you prefer lower and louder. You can buy a decent one in a slimline box if you want to save space for about $200. Full sized ported box if you want more volume. Any cheaper and you'd probably end up with muddy or lagging bass that would make your system sound worse, not better. The sub-only option would probably overwhelm your factory amped door speakers though.
Combine those options to achieve the next level of upgrade by installing a 4-channel amp, using 2 channels to drive better front component speakers eg. Focal PS165V are very good and half price on Ryda (or the Alpine SPR 60C if you want a brighter sound) and bridge the other 2 channels to drive a compact subwoofer. That might cost about $800 total but that's probably the best bang-for-buck stage of upgrade. From then on the law of diminishing returns kicks in.
Where do you stop? If you think you may want to upgrade the rear speakers later, it'd make sense to pay the extra $100 for a good class D 5-channel amp (4 channels for each of the front and rear speakers and 1 high power channel for the sub) Perhaps the Alpine PDR V75 at $500, or better still an Alpine PDX-V9 at $670 or JL Audio HD900/5 like mIne at $800. High end speakers like Focal 165KRX2s $700 or Hertz fronts like mine at $1000+? Do they really sound four times better than those $250 ones? I got mine very cheap but otherwise feel they're OTT for the RS. A quality 12 inch sub $300 -$1000? These are all Ryda, or Hertz Italy, heavily discounted prices too. You could spend 5 times these amounts if you were obsessed and rich enough. Maybe you could justify that in a Lambo, but in a Focus RS?
It's like performance upgrades; it starts with just a tune...then maybe an air intake.... intercooler...E85 tune... oil cooling...bigger turbo ...and so on. At least with power mods you can measure the gains in hp/tq, whereas sound quality (SQ) is subjective. You can measure sound pressure level (SPL) increases of course, if all you want is max loudness,
Sorry I can't give you a more straighforward answer; it's all down to personal priorities and preferences. Lots of people are perfectly happy with the stock system or just don't give a s**t about audio and just want to drive, which is fine, of course
Cheers for the tips - know nothing about sound other than I don't like the RS sound.I agree with wombat, the easiest thing to do is to get rid of those front speakers. I did that install first on my car with some Morel Tempo Ultra 602's, and the sound difference was night and day. To get any bass out of the stock speakers, I had to tune the bass to max. With the Morel's, I had to tune it back to the middle position and it had more bass than the stock had cranked way up. The ideal setup would be nice speakers all around and sub in the back, but best bang for your buck would be just replacing those front speakers. My Morel's actually sounded very nice on the stock amp too, they were just power hungry speakers and don't go as loud as I want. If you're not interested in listening to the music loud, then you could probably get away with just replacing the speakers, but if you want it loud then you'll want a 2ch amp to power them as well.
I'm sure it'd be possible and that would be the right way to do it, of course. You could probably drill through the molex as I originally intended too but I just don't think it's worth the possibility of damaging the molex due to the restricted working space. I have a medical condition that's making me increasingly clumsy. I can't get to the back of the molex from inside the car as you can in other models, the wiring takes a very convoluted route. Cutting into wires on either side of the molex is common practice in these cases and is certainly better than putting high power through the full run of low gauge factory speaker wire (or drilling new holes in the door and body like some audio shops).looks like it's getting nasty, would it be at all possible to just re-pin the molex connector?
Weird. Is there no change at all when you adjust the fader settings? I could imagine a bad connection in one rear door but not both.Do you reckon the non-functioning rear door speakers might contribute to my audio dis-satisfaction...I assume they are supposed to actually make sound???
Actually, I stopped on the way home from work last Friday at a car audio specialists to scope out the market and how I might relate to an upgrade. Of course 'subjective' came up and I left thinking about what and how to understand my issues with the stock sound.Weird. Is there no change at all when you adjust the fader settings? I could imagine a bad connection in one rear door but not both.
I'm not certain but I don't think so. Obviously there's no noise generator in the boot but I guess there could be one elsewhere. I haven't seen one so far. I have the glovebox out for the audio wiring and behind there is where I expected to find it, if anywhere. The US box is fairly substantial, so I can't think where it would fit otherwise.Out of curiosity, do the Aussie RS's have artifical engine sound generated through the speakers????