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Have you driven a GT350? It has awesome ride quality that I would love the RS to have. Seriously nice over bad city roads.
I find the GT350 a bit squishy/plush (especially the rear) vs. the RS. I like the RS firmer ride feel better. Feels more planted. Maybe that it's just a smaller car? I live in the Detroit metro area and you can imagine the road surface conditions we have to deal with..~25,000 miles and DD. None better IMO.

And the Voodoo engines are burning oil so much that if you are topping the oil off regularly you probably will never have to do an oil change.
I passed ~5000 miles this summer I my GT350...doesn't use any oil. I check it regularly. I've read about a few owners reporting issues but I bet the majority have no oil issues.
Yes, I would not drive the GT350 through a Michigan winter.
 

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I don’t see how you guys can rip on Ford all day long about the popping head gaskets and dissolving undertrays, but you can’t seem to admit that Ford tuned the suspension wrong.

I still have the stock suspension, I daily drive mine, and it hurts my enjoyment a little bit. It also makes it trickier to drive fast because the combination of super sharp steering (a “hardcore” feature that I love) with a pogo body means I have to expend effort holding the wheel straight.

Do I wish Ford had given us magnaride or a 3-mode damper or even a better tuned 2-mode damper? Yes.
Do I wish I had bought a CTR or Golf R (both of which have a truly comfortable comfort mode and a better damped track mode)? Hello no.

Guys, it doesn’t make you any less of a badass hardcore dude to admit that Ford screwed the pooch on our suspension.
I'm pretty sure that the suspension is about how Ford wanted it. If you watch the RS dev videos things were redesigned due to not "feeling right." The suspension makes it feel like an angry hot hatch and not a luxury machine, likely why it was tuned this way.
 

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I'm pretty sure that the suspension is about how Ford wanted it. If you watch the RS dev videos things were redesigned due to not "feeling right." The suspension makes it feel like an angry hot hatch and not a luxury machine, likely why it was tuned this way.
There's plenty of hardcore performance vehicles out there that have suspension that feels good on bad roads. Suspension can be stiff and still not get upset easily. From the CTR (which I've driven) to BMW M cars to even other Ford products like the GT350. A bouncy, over dampened ride is not performance. It works, sure. But even at autocross on a smooth'ish lot, every RS owner (including myself) don't even run the stiff suspension setting because the car gets too upset too easily. Every car journalist that I respect who drive everything from Kia sedans on the road to Ferraris on the track all agree the suspension doesn't work as well as it could. The RS is awesome and if I had to do it again, I'd still buy the RS all the same. But the suspension is definitely the weak point.
 

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There's plenty of hardcore performance vehicles out there that have suspension that feels good on bad roads. Suspension can be stiff and still not get upset easily. From the CTR (which I've driven) to BMW M cars to even other Ford products like the GT350. A bouncy, over dampened ride is not performance. It works, sure. But even at autocross on a smooth'ish lot, every RS owner (including myself) don't even run the stiff suspension setting because the car gets too upset too easily. Every car journalist that I respect who drive everything from Kia sedans on the road to Ferraris on the track all agree the suspension doesn't work as well as it could. The RS is awesome and if I had to do it again, I'd still buy the RS all the same. But the suspension is definitely the weak point.
This.

Plenty of high-performance vehicles out there with well tuned suspensions that perform as good or better than the RS. I would chalk it up to the budget. It takes a long time ($$$) to create a well balanced high-performance sport suspension. The RS seems to suffer from a suspension that gets the job done via numbers at the expense of ride quality.

Love the car to death, but it's hilarious to say the car is "better" with it's silly stiff pogo'ing early 90's rice rocket suspension. If the driving results from other drivers who have replaced the suspension with better performance coil-overs were worse than OEM I'd be slightly more inclined to agree with the "it's meant to be this way" comments. But that isn't the case.

The acceptance of the OEM suspension IMO is from the RS's ability to compete with much higher cost machines at the sacrifice of cost. This could have been easily fixed by having done of the following:

1.Design the multi suspension tuning to actually be a GT quality ride in "Normal" and Sport/Track as the second setting.
2 Offered a magniride (or equivalent) factory upgrade for $2-3000 extra.

The RS may compete higher than it should in performance but it has a long way to go to compete with the cars it's up against in all other areas like comfort. There is no sensible reason not want a better DD setting for this car.
 

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This.

Plenty of high-performance vehicles out there with well tuned suspensions that perform as good or better than the RS. I would chalk it up to the budget. It takes a long time ($$$) to create a well balanced high-performance sport suspension. The RS seems to suffer from a suspension that gets the job done via numbers at the expense of ride quality.

Love the car to death, but it's hilarious to say the car is "better" with it's silly stiff pogo'ing early 90's rice rocket suspension. If the driving results from other drivers who have replaced the suspension with better performance coil-overs were worse than OEM I'd be slightly more inclined to agree with the "it's meant to be this way" comments. But that isn't the case.

The acceptance of the OEM suspension IMO is from the RS's ability to compete with much higher cost machines at the sacrifice of cost. This could have been easily fixed by having done of the following:

1.Design the multi suspension tuning to actually be a GT quality ride in "Normal" and Sport/Track as the second setting.
2 Offered a magniride (or equivalent) factory upgrade for $2-3000 extra.

The RS may compete higher than it should in performance but it has a long way to go to compete with the cars it's up against in all other areas like comfort. There is no sensible reason not want a better DD setting for this car.
I would have jumped all over a Magnaride option. Maybe it's simply down to chassis restriction, but why would Ford not offer their best performing suspension setup on a car like the RS? Probably price. The RS is great but it's been the most expensive car in its segment already. Even with an option for the Magnaride, perhaps Ford was worried the car was already too expensive and the Magnaride ones would sit around unsold.
 

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I believe ford did a solid job addressing the suspension for the '18s. It is still stiff and sporty, but much more compliant. I drive 2400+ miles over the last week with my lady and 6yr old. No complaints.

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I think the magnaride might have been overkill on a car a lot of people stretched their budget to get into.

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I think the magnaride might have been overkill on a car a lot of people stretched their budget to get into.

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Yeah, we already got some “$45,000 Focus” headlines and it would have been worse if the price was closer to $50K.

On the other hand the RS seemed to find a wide range of buyers. Some were definitely stretching to afford it, but others have been using it as a fun DD to keep miles off their Porsche or track car. I think magnaride would have been perfect for that crowd.
 

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Yeah, we already got some “$45,000 Focus” headlines and it would have been worse if the price was closer to $50K.

On the other hand the RS seemed to find a wide range of buyers. Some were definitely stretching to afford it, but others have been using it as a fun DD to keep miles off their Porsche or track car. I think magnaride would have been perfect for that crowd.
People are gladly paying for a $50,000+ STi (just an Impreza) with a new badge and some upgraded goodies (not the engine though, so sad..) so I'm not sure an extra $2k or so option would have negatively reflected on the car. Plus having it as an option wouldn't have changed the base price. If anything it would have potentially brought more over to the platform. A loaded Golf R (just a golf) gets up there really quick and fails at a lot of the RS's performance. Again, I don't think it would have hurt the cars reviews. Hell all of the reviews complain about the suspension, sooooo having an option that made the car better in that realm seems like a positive in my book.

Regardless of the cars base platform being a Focus, I don't think you can use the argument of "people stretching their budgets already" as a valid one. Nobody should ever stretch their budget for any car whether it be a hot hatch Focus, Porsche, or base Camry.

Anyway, the issue can be fixed after the fact. Just a bummer it isn't fixed through Ford. I have an '18 RR and don't think the "revised" dampers really are that great or acceptable. If what I have is tons better than the original parts, I take that as even more of a point proven haha.
 

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There's plenty of hardcore performance vehicles out there that have suspension that feels good on bad roads. Suspension can be stiff and still not get upset easily. From the CTR (which I've driven) to BMW M cars to even other Ford products like the GT350. A bouncy, over dampened ride is not performance. It works, sure. But even at autocross on a smooth'ish lot, every RS owner (including myself) don't even run the stiff suspension setting because the car gets too upset too easily. Every car journalist that I respect who drive everything from Kia sedans on the road to Ferraris on the track all agree the suspension doesn't work as well as it could. The RS is awesome and if I had to do it again, I'd still buy the RS all the same. But the suspension is definitely the weak point.
I’ve never bought or driven a perfect car. Took a test drive and said “this is perfect, doesn’t need anything.” Come to think of it, never rode or bought a sport bike that was perfect either. Always some thing(s) to correct in the aftermarket, Always! People crying over suspension should have bought something else.
 

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There's plenty of hardcore performance vehicles out there that have suspension that feels good on bad roads. Suspension can be stiff and still not get upset easily. From the CTR (which I've driven) to BMW M cars to even other Ford products like the GT350. A bouncy, over dampened ride is not performance. It works, sure. But even at autocross on a smooth'ish lot, every RS owner (including myself) don't even run the stiff suspension setting because the car gets too upset too easily. Every car journalist that I respect who drive everything from Kia sedans on the road to Ferraris on the track all agree the suspension doesn't work as well as it could. The RS is awesome and if I had to do it again, I'd still buy the RS all the same. But the suspension is definitely the weak point.
I’ve never bought or driven a perfect car. Took a test drive and said “this is perfect, doesn’t need anything.” Come to think of it, never rode or bought a sport bike that was perfect either. Always some thing(s) to correct in the aftermarket, Always! People crying over suspension should have bought something else.
I don't think acknowledging a car's weakness is exactly the same as crying. I don't even understand what you're trying to say, tbh. You agree no car is perfect; always things to correct in aftermarket. We talk about what's not perfect, so we should have bought another car?
 

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I believe ford did a solid job addressing the suspension for the '18s. It is still stiff and sporty, but much more compliant. I drive 2400+ miles over the last week with my lady and 6yr old. No complaints.

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Haven't driven an RS with the first or second suspension revisions so I can't speak for that, but my 18 is everything I would expect and want. It does pogo every now and again though, but not like my 2005 Mustang GT that pogo'd every few minutes on the highway.

I don't think the RS in normal mode is any more worse than my 17 WRX was. Can't ask my wife, she hated the WRX and hates the RS.

What it sadly comes down to is track times for press days. .1 seconds could separate 1st and 2nd, and look at any ranking video or article. "The VW R comes in 3rd, beating the STI, but is definitely the most comfortable vehicle here." --Literally every article/youtube video that compares the VW R, STI, RS and CTR... Comfort doesn't win (articles, but I see plenty of R's on the road). When it's time for a new car, I will probably do what I did this time; buy the most hardcore vehicle I can.

Could Ford have done better with the suspension from the get-go, probably. Personally, I don't need the turnable headlights and would have liked to have seen the money that went into those, go into suspension and a button that raises the nose of the car.
 
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