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Thank you for this... finally a real track write up written by someone who is more than a red-light warrior or a back road burner... A true track enthusiast!
Basically everything you wrote is exactly how my S60 R-Design AWD behaved on the track, right down to the exact points where understeer would occur and all the overheating. For the S60 it would start with "traction control deactivated", then "oil temperature too high" and finally followed up by "All-wheel drive disengaged" at which point I will cool it down and pull-in all within 15-20mins. Fortunately, on the big tracks like the 4.05 mile long Road America I would only get the first two warnings with the oil temp warning after 20mins.

I was so hoping the RS with it's trick AWD and "30 minutes of track driving" would eliminate all that, but alas, like you said - you just can't defy the laws of physics and apparently Ford's bean counters skimped on adding cooling units.
So disappointing!!!!
 

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A new laps of Watkins Glen at 7 tenths just getting used to car on my first track day with it. As mentioned earlier in this thread I had no mechanical/electronic drama of any kind with 30 minute sessions. I could do multiple successive hard laps but The Glen is long and fast with lots of stretches with high speeds and good air flow. The track also has a lot of positive camber so you can have higher corner speeds without AWD constantly trying to sort out traction.

 

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A new laps of Watkins Glen at 7 tenths just getting used to car on my first track day with it. As mentioned earlier in this thread I had no mechanical/electronic drama of any kind with 30 minute sessions. I could do multiple successive hard laps but The Glen is long and fast with lots of stretches with high speeds and good air flow. The track also has a lot of positive camber so you can have higher corner speeds without AWD constantly trying to sort out traction.

Well done Sir! The epitome of a Gentleman Racer. What a great track.
 

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A new laps of Watkins Glen at 7 tenths just getting used to car on my first track day with it. As mentioned earlier in this thread I had no mechanical/electronic drama of any kind with 30 minute sessions. I could do multiple successive hard laps but The Glen is long and fast with lots of stretches with high speeds and good air flow. The track also has a lot of positive camber so you can have higher corner speeds without AWD constantly trying to sort out traction.

The opposite of AMP. No real straights (even the back straight has a curve in the middle), off camber turns (turn 4), rough tarmac. This all combines to overheat everything and really chew tires.
 

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@Gliding_Serpent - any more info or thoughts on this power steering issue?
It only gave me the warning in one of my "longer" sessions where I was not pushing as hard due to having a passanger. But at AMP you are always turning. I can see it overheating as a result. On most tracks, I suspect this is not an issue. And even then, I read someone else mentioning the issue (Montune?) and they said it was only a reduced power situation... and to me it felt fine. But then again, I am used to muscling a 32 year old 911 around the track with big r-comps and no power steering.
 

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In the spirit of honesty and reporting what I observe...

I was wrong... or at least I am pretty sure I was wrong. I was out at our track again, in similar temps, similar lap times... and I could just not overheat my awd system. I could just not get it to shut off.

I was a bit mentally fatigued, and maybe not at my peak, but after 20 minutes of hard lapping at about 28 degrees Celsius, I had to slow down to rest my brain from the speed and intensity. It took at best 11 or so minutes of hard lapping to shut the AWD system off last time.

This is not scientific, but I take it back. Oil temps still got to 3/4 (never above), but no awd shutoff. No steering shutoff either after 20 minutes of hard lapping (being slowed by some traffic now and then), followed by a more relaxed final 10 minutes of lapping (so there is your 30 minutes).

I did change my driving style to minimize turn entry understeer, but i was on the gas earlier as a result, and using the awd more than before if anything. I was more obstructed by traffic, providing some cooling time, but I still felt like I was in the ball-park for comparison.

My only explanation is that Ford built in a computer defined protective break in for the drive-train. At over 2k miles (vs 1.2k last time), it makes sense. Or maybe i was just off my game (and i think i was due to mental fatigue). But still, the first time out it took 8 laps to disabled it... Even when i did not feel i was pushing overly hard.

Sorry about that folks. If I caused some fuss, I guess it is a good reminder not to believe all that you read on the internet.

The car seems to just be fast. For those that may have passed on their order out of fear of the awd heat "problem", at least you can console yourself that the car is hard on tires. Enjoy your STI or Golf R.

Two times a charm?

Another local RS with 12,000kms (?9K miles) was out at our track two weeks ago also. Different driver, 23oC, but he edged my best time by near 0.2 seconds after three sessions. At those temps I was originally able to shut the AWD off with 6 unobstructed hot laps. He had no such heating issues, however he was on a busier track and was often held up by slower traffic.
 

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Hey guys, I was wrong... or at least I am pretty sure I was wrong. I was out again, and in similar temps, similar lap times, and the same track... I could just not overheat my awd system. I could just not get it to shut off.

I was a bit mentally fatigued, and maybe not at my peak, but after 20 minutes of hard lapping at about 28 degrees celcius, I had to slow down to rest my brain from the speed and intensity. It took at best 11 or so minutes to shut it off last time.

This is not scientific, but I take it back. Oil temps still got to 3/4 (never above), but no awd shutoff.

I did change my driving style to minimize turn entry understeer, but i was on the gass earlier as a result, and using the awd more than before if anything.

My only explination is that Ford built in a computer defined protective break in for the drivetrain. At over 2k miles (vs 1.2k last time), it makes sense. Or maybe i was just off my game (and i think i was due to mental fatigue). But still, the first time out it took 8 laps to disabled it... Even when i did not feel i was pushing overly hard.

Sorry about that folks. If I caused some fuss, I guess it is a good reminder not to believe all that you read on the internet.

The car seems to just be fast. For those that may have passed on the car for the awd heat "problem", at least you can console yourself that the car is hard on tires. Enjoy your sti/R.
Very interesting.
 

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I'm glad your second track visit was less eventful than the first.

Now for those that cancelled their orders because of this thread...
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In the spirit of honesty and reporting what I observe...

I was wrong... or at least I am pretty sure I was wrong. I was out at our track again, in similar temps, similar lap times... and I could just not overheat my awd system. I could just not get it to shut off.

I was a bit mentally fatigued, and maybe not at my peak, but after 20 minutes of hard lapping at about 28 degrees Celsius, I had to slow down to rest my brain from the speed and intensity. It took at best 11 or so minutes of hard lapping to shut the AWD system off last time.

This is not scientific, but I take it back. Oil temps still got to 3/4 (never above), but no awd shutoff. No steering shutoff either after 20 minutes of hard lapping (being slowed by some traffic now and then), followed by a more relaxed final 10 minutes of lapping (so there is your 30 minutes).

I did change my driving style to minimize turn entry understeer, but i was on the gas earlier as a result, and using the awd more than before if anything. I was more obstructed by traffic, providing some cooling time, but I still felt like I was in the ball-park for comparison.

My only explanation is that Ford built in a computer defined protective break in for the drive-train. At over 2k miles (vs 1.2k last time), it makes sense. Or maybe i was just off my game (and i think i was due to mental fatigue). But still, the first time out it took 8 laps to disabled it... Even when i did not feel i was pushing overly hard.

Sorry about that folks. If I caused some fuss, I guess it is a good reminder not to believe all that you read on the internet.

The car seems to just be fast. For those that may have passed on their order out of fear of the awd heat "problem", at least you can console yourself that the car is hard on tires. Enjoy your STI or Golf R.
Interesting read. Thanks for your honest assessment. It appears as if the RS comes into its own as time goes on and more miles are put on it. Genuinely feel bad for all those who gave up on this car because of the early reports (the car making lower power than advertised plus these AWD Off issues)

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Interesting read....Genuinely feel bad for all those who gave up on this car because of the early reports....
You can't fault @Gliding_Serpent for expressing his views, but I have to agree with you that there is always an outsized interest in reports of "flaws". And with nearly 19,000 views, it's virtually certain that there were some folks who were led into an unfortunate decision.
 

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Good to hear this. I hope this is true. Chuck one more to break-in nannys. :rolleyes:
I want to believe it is true. I think we need more data to be sure. Different days and I was not on my "A game" on the second time out, but things were close.

Thing is, after three days, I need at least one new tire, and the other three are close to the end. But our track is exceptionally hard on tires.

I think I will wait for a coilover setup to hit the market before I get it out again. Our track is rough, so it eats tires, combined with the RS being under tired. 1500$ (canadian) or so for a new set every three+ track days is not my thing. Makes a suspension upgrade pay for itself quick if I am serious about tracking this car more. I am also thinking about wide body fenders, 9 inch wide wheels, and a 285 profile tire or something similarly meaty. If we could improve the contact-patch-to-weight-ratio and negative camber a little bit more, I think we would have a pretty unstoppable car on our track.
 

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Ford got to @Gliding_Serpent and had him recant.

Part of the fine print when you buy the car is they own you and you can't talk smack on the car.......
 
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