2022 VW Golf R vs Focus RS "Drift Mode"
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Thanks for sharing. I thought it was very well explained, as always by Jason.
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Rory Reid, who owned an RS, reviews the Golf R here and says the RS drift mode is still a "bit better".
However, none of the videos I've seen of the Golf's drift mode look very impressive at all, and in Rory's original review of the RS, it looks a LOT better.
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My thoughts exactly. I’m visualizing my garage door opener.
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I've forgotten how much I like Rory as a presenter. I remember being so excited when they announced he, Chris and Sabine were hosting TG, but it felt like he never really got comfortable. Glad to see he's still kicking about and testing hot hatches.
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Yeah Rory's great, he had a tough act to follow on TG! My bad though, Rory didn't buy one, co-host Matt Leblanc did. But Rory talks about how much he loved it here;
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RIP Sabine. Hallowed be the queen of the Ring.
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Also, I wish we got the AMG A45 in the US. Screw the "CLA" crap.
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No love for the GLA either? 😁
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Jason's explanations are always great! I've been wondering what the physical differences between the RS and the R drivetrain truly are. On paper it seems like they are nearly the same. However, this video points out some rather important differences that at least in theory make the RS more lively.
I think option 3, electric RS, is going to be the closest thing. Fwiw using 4 motors it would be even easier to implement all kinds of crazy drift modes and whatnot
That's so weird. It sounds like the EU is counting emissions average not as percentage of units sold, but just plainly adding up all vehicles, 1 of each, and averaging that. That seems asinine, since no doubt something like the Focus RS barely registers as a percentage of vehicles relative to the total number of cars that someone like Ford sells.
I think option 3, electric RS, is going to be the closest thing. Fwiw using 4 motors it would be even easier to implement all kinds of crazy drift modes and whatnot
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I agree with you here. We're a bit spoiled with the RS as it's both capable and immensely practical; the downside of this is that any other new (and affordable) car on the market just seems kind of... meh. Only thing I wish the RS had was more ground clearance for mild off-road and big snows.
That's why that Rivian R1T has been so unexpectedly interesting to us that we put in a pre-order. Never been truck people, but with four electric motors on it they've included Rally and Drift modes to take advantage of the instant and individual torque vectoring possibilities. And height adjustable suspension with hydraulically linked anti-roll system with adaptive dampers similar to McLaren. And 0 - 60 in 3's like most EVs. I know it's heresy to talk EVs on this forum, but if there was one new vehicle that we intend to add to the garage alongside the RS it's got to be the R1T or R1S. Nothing else really seems that interesting right now after owning an RS. Hopefully Rivian survives the scale-up and give legacy automakers some competition to push the performance envelope.
The Mk8 Golf R doesn't seem to add anything more that we couldn't get on an RS about 6 yrs ago, other than what sounds like a more frustrating user interface. I can't wait for the capacitive touch and gloss black trend to die out.
Haven't been following Rivian, but that sounds badass! I'll have to do some reading now. Adaptive dampers sounds great! I can never go back to a static system since having Tractive. My main concern with a truck platform would be the floatiness of it, and possibly handling. Maybe Rivian would consider building a hyperhatch on the same platform.
I haven't been too enthused in general about the future of cars because manufacturers seems to be focused on tall big cars that go point to point, in an ever-bigger CUV or SUV package. Fun and especially small - even a hatch - are out. Like yeah, sure, even the Hummer EV at 9000lbs can do 0-60 in 3s, but that doesn't make it a fun car. An electrified RS-like vehicle that is focused on entertaining the driver would be very welcome, bonus points for being a hatchback. VW has an "eGolf," but that thing is comically slow at least on paper, which is surprising for an EV, and of course it isn't interested in being fun.
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When the Mach E 1400 RTR and Ford Performance developed was revealed, I said that could be the first "Mustang RS" even if they reduced the motor count some and "only" released it with 600hp.
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Dude you're in luck, there have been some early rumors about exactly this! Not much recently since they're focused on scaling up, but they have plans to expand their offerings beyond the initial R1 truck/SUV. Doubtful we'll hear anything for a few years though. Maybe when they get the Georgia factory running.
Rivian's next electric vehicle after pickup could be an impressive rally car
Rivian is focusing on bringing its electric pickup and SUV to market, but it is also working on a third...
Also, isn't the Tractive system super cool? Love it.
A worm drive is got to be very slow, but they can engage it at zero speed vs needing to spin an oil pump. I think the RS starts in FWD for a bit until pressure builds up and clamps the clutches.
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Cars are dead in the US. The only ones that sell are appliances and even then, nowhere near the numbers stupid CUV and SUVs sell for.
Combined with the rapidly rising price of cars, and stagnant wages people simply can't afford a "toy" car anymore in any real numbers.
I mean consider the 80's. Between Ford and GM, they produced nearly 5 million Mustangs, Firebird, and Camaros combined. The big 3 pony cars were selling north of 150,000 units every single year, sometimes as much as 250,000 for a single model year.
Could you imagine if the RS sold that much? I don't even think all models of the Focus combined for as single year sold that much ever in the 3rd generation.
Combined with the rapidly rising price of cars, and stagnant wages people simply can't afford a "toy" car anymore in any real numbers.
I mean consider the 80's. Between Ford and GM, they produced nearly 5 million Mustangs, Firebird, and Camaros combined. The big 3 pony cars were selling north of 150,000 units every single year, sometimes as much as 250,000 for a single model year.
Could you imagine if the RS sold that much? I don't even think all models of the Focus combined for as single year sold that much ever in the 3rd generation.
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