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    Quote Originally Posted by Promit View Post
    Number one thought is you're riding the clutch, especially when you're anticipating an upcoming shift (which could be a large amount of time).
    I agree ,probably number one cause of clutch problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomekRST View Post
    Clutch smells more aggressively than overheated brakes.
    Other thing is clutch is to week for RS, moreover itís to week for Mustang Ecoboost (the same one). Ford knows that, but clutch is not under warranty. Lifespan is about 10-15K miles, prepare 1200 $ for new one with fitting, then.
    I am not sure how much confidence I have in this answer; the RS clutch is pretty strong. When @TomekRST is talking about a "week" is it the normal work week of M-F or all 7 days ? I dont' think the RS clutch is weak The lifespan of a clutch under normal wear is much.much longer than 15K miles. You should easily get 50K miles.

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRS View Post
    I was actually starting to wonder what a typical clutch should last. First manual car I'm going to have long enough to worry about it. 10-15k seems really low though...
    No much longer, you should get somewhere around 50k miles and possibly even longer... depends on launchs, track days, how aggressive you drive, manual clutch skills

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelsRS View Post
    Heavy acceleration in lower gears with the clutch fully engaged does not really stress the clutch that much because of the torque multiplication of the transmission in low gears. In fact, the easiest way to determine if your clutch is slipping under load is to find a relatively long hill to drive on and get into 4th or 5th gear at a speed of 40-50 MPH and then nail the throttle. The clutch "sees" the maximum engine torque under these conditions so if the engine rpm goes up but your speed does not then the clutch is well on its way to failure.
    The hardesdty load on the clutch is in higher gears @JoelsRS is correct on how to test. You get less clutch load in 1rst, 2nd, even 3rd.

    Quote Originally Posted by ONTerriible View Post
    This is a straight up lie and fear-mongering.

    I've got 50,000 km (30,000 mi) spirited driving and multiple launches. stock clutch, don't listen to this guy.
    Summary: @WVRS you should be okay I think @Promit hit the problem on the head, don't ride the clutch , let it out all the way. Your clutch should last 50K miles; you few burning smell issues shouldn't take much off that number. Actual clutch slippage is more noticeable in the higher gears where more load is placed on the clutch.

    Don't worry and go have fun driving youre RS

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    Quote Originally Posted by carver View Post
    Unless your really abusing the clutch , It,s most likely hot brakes.
    I agree with this, plus perhaps a little new hot tire smell, if you're really pushing it.
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    If you know anything about BMW's SMG system used on the E46 M3, you know it uses the same exact manual gearbox as the 6MT, but has a mechanical hydraulic system to change gears after paddle activation. The point is the SMG clutch life (identical clutches too) was found to be over twice as long as that in manually operated gearboxes. I'm guessing that most operators of 6MT cars weren't aware of how much they overused the clutch. Just goes to show humans aren't machines!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORZDA 2 View Post
    I'm not sure where the "weak clutch" inputs originated, but the RS clutch is quite potent. It holds against multiple WOT 5500rpm drag launches with no issues at all. It also has unique ramp-style wear compensation built into the flywheel that are designed to keep the oem pressure plate spring (diaphragm) pressure constant until the disc is completely worn out. It is one of the best oem dual-mass flywheel designs I've seen.
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    I have 1996 mi on my 17 NB RS and I’ve noticed a smell when getting out of mine after running hard. Definitely not clutch though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by targetarcher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Promit View Post
    Number one thought is you're riding the clutch, especially when you're anticipating an upcoming shift (which could be a large amount of time).
    I agree ,probably number one cause of clutch problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomekRST View Post
    Clutch smells more aggressively than overheated brakes.
    Other thing is clutch is to week for RS, moreover itís to week for Mustang Ecoboost (the same one). Ford knows that, but clutch is not under warranty. Lifespan is about 10-15K miles, prepare 1200 $ for new one with fitting, then.
    I am not sure how much confidence I have in this answer; the RS clutch is pretty strong. When @TomekRST is talking about a "week" is it the normal work week of M-F or all 7 days ? I dont' think the RS clutch is weak The lifespan of a clutch under normal wear is much.much longer than 15K miles. You should easily get 50K miles.

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRS View Post
    I was actually starting to wonder what a typical clutch should last. First manual car I'm going to have long enough to worry about it. 10-15k seems really low though...
    No much longer, you should get somewhere around 50k miles and possibly even longer... depends on launchs, track days, how aggressive you drive, manual clutch skills

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelsRS View Post
    Heavy acceleration in lower gears with the clutch fully engaged does not really stress the clutch that much because of the torque multiplication of the transmission in low gears. In fact, the easiest way to determine if your clutch is slipping under load is to find a relatively long hill to drive on and get into 4th or 5th gear at a speed of 40-50 MPH and then nail the throttle. The clutch "sees" the maximum engine torque under these conditions so if the engine rpm goes up but your speed does not then the clutch is well on its way to failure.
    The hardesdty load on the clutch is in higher gears @JoelsRS is correct on how to test. You get less clutch load in 1rst, 2nd, even 3rd.

    Quote Originally Posted by ONTerriible View Post
    This is a straight up lie and fear-mongering.

    I've got 50,000 km (30,000 mi) spirited driving and multiple launches. stock clutch, don't listen to this guy.
    Summary: @WVRS you should be okay I think @Promit hit the problem on the head, don't ride the clutch , let it out all the way. Your clutch should last 50K miles; you few burning smell issues shouldn't take much off that number. Actual clutch slippage is more noticeable in the higher gears where more load is placed on the clutch.

    Don't worry and go have fun driving youre RS
    Appreciate it man. Like I said it just went up for winter anyway but Iíll just keep an eye on it come taking it out again. Iím sure once I get it out the first day will involve some long drives haha
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    sorry for week instead of weak ((:
    Let me ask you in a different way. Is there someone with replaced engine without new clutch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomekRST View Post
    Clutch smells more aggressively than overheated brakes.
    Other thing is clutch is to week for RS, moreover itís to week for Mustang Ecoboost (the same one). Ford knows that, but clutch is not under warranty. Lifespan is about 10-15K miles, prepare 1200 $ for new one with fitting, then.
    Bull**** smells more aggressively than clutch and brakes combined.
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    Don't feel bad. I've noticed it too and thought I was burning the clutch. Well, so far I feel confident that I am not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 17BluefocusRs2 View Post
    Don't feel bad. I've noticed it too and thought I was burning the clutch. Well, so far I feel confident that I am not.
    Really hoping its the brakes haha I'll find out come spring
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