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This is a discussion on Post head gasket install review and other issues thread within the Focus RS Discussions forums, part of the Focus RS Forums category; Ford in Barstow, CA ended up replacing the whole head a little over a year ago at 15,000 miles. I’ve got 39,000 now with no ...

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    Ford in Barstow, CA ended up replacing the whole head a little over a year ago at 15,000 miles. I’ve got 39,000 now with no issues. For what it’s worth I haven’t needed to add a single drop of coolant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo View Post
    3 attempts to fix post head gasket. If Ford can't fix it, then they should initiate buy back lemon law worldwide.

    Stop being cheap Ford!
    With no more new RS out there, I'll take a new longblock instead of a buyback. This is a great car.
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    Well got that bad news yesterday. Tech brought me back and gave me a UV light/glasses to show me what he found. Looks like oil it leaking out in the front head gasket area so they're going to have to tear into it once again. My car was done before the amendment to the shop manual where Ford added the TA-30 silicone so that's probably the culprit but we'll see.
    Just my luck too, I had done an oil change 2 weeks prior and went with Amsoil and filter which Ford will not pay for so it looks like I'm going back to Motorcraft until the next oil change.

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    Looks like the same leak here! Just did an oil change and the front cover is leaking, now scheduled into dealership in two weeks. This is the third major trip into the dealership due to the recall and I and getting a little upset by the lack of workmanship on display. Went to switch out snows for summer tires two weeks ago and nuts on right front required OVER 200 ft-lbs to release. Since my torque wrench couldn't go high enough I used an IR impact capable of 600ft-lbs and it struggled a little to get them off. Nuts were so badly distorted that I had to hammer on a socket to even try to get them off. Dealership gave me new ones. Additionally the oil filter was on so tight the wrench collapsed it to break loose.

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    After the recall was a disaster. Ended up having to get a longblock. It was running improperly and eventually led to a complete HG failure. I do not have faith dealerships are capable of performing the work in most cases.

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    Dropped it off today for the second attempt at the HG. Hoping all goes well but you know how that goes since I'm posting in a thread where so many are on their 2nd/3rd or more attempt at it. Forgot to take a pic of the mileage though so...I'll just put that bad thought in a box and lock it away. Pretty sure I was right about 11,575 miles.

    I left a printed out sheet of items that I wanted replaced like plugs and diamond friction washers. Also included a list of "issues" that have come up after other attempts at HG replacements. Hopefully the tech doesn't get a bug up his butt and think I'm trying to tell him how to do his job but...this is the second attempt at doing my HG.

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    I was sitting on this but...
    My post HG saga has taken a new direction.

    Say 8 failed attempts to stop oil leaking after the HG replacement, most effort was around the turbo oil feed banjo, last effort was a total HG redo after suggesting timing case and pointing to oil above the Bango fitting...which looked good for say 2 mths.

    Checked recently, prompted because, thinking all was sound it was time to do the cat downpipe with ecutech tune I put a down payment on a year ago on...and to my dismay, much oil leaking 😐😐😐.

    Back to the friendly (yes, great support, good guy) Ford service manager. He put forward a complete engine replacement case to Ford Australia. They wanted disassembly to inspect.

    Some banter about lousy courtesy car term.... insurance excess about double mine, driver restrictions, range restrictions led me to citing Australian consumer Law, major Failure, unroadworthy, time to repair... Akin to lemon laws.

    I've been courteous & polight throughout. Ford likewise.

    I'll let you know in perhaps 2w the outcome. Case is being administered ATM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethosguy View Post
    I was sitting on this but...
    My post HG saga has taken a new direction.

    Say 8 failed attempts to stop oil leaking after the HG replacement, most effort was around the turbo oil feed banjo, last effort was a total HG redo after suggesting timing case and pointing to oil above the Bango fitting...which looked good for say 2 mths.

    Checked recently, prompted because, thinking all was sound it was time to do the cat downpipe with ecutech tune I put a down payment on a year ago on...and to my dismay, much oil leaking .

    Back to the friendly (yes, great support, good guy) Ford service manager. He put forward a complete engine replacement case to Ford Australia. They wanted disassembly to inspect.

    Some banter about lousy courtesy car term.... insurance excess about double mine, driver restrictions, range restrictions led me to citing Australian consumer Law, major Failure, unroadworthy, time to repair... Akin to lemon laws.

    I've been courteous & polight throughout. Ford likewise.

    I'll let you know in perhaps 2w the outcome. Case is being administered ATM.

    Hang in there bro.
    That is a good outcome.
    Looks like you may get settlement from Ford HQ
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    Hey everybody. It's been quite a while since I was logged in here - life got kind of crazy and I was really only ****ing around on the internet occasionally. Thought I'd contribute here as much as I can given my latest deal...

    23,667 miles without getting my head gasket replaced and the car was still running strong. (early 2016 model, mfg April '16) I guess I drive like a grandma despite the HPDE. My factory warranty would expire next month, it's been 3 years already since I got it.

    I originally had the pressure test done last year and they deemed it only needed the gasket. I then had my drivers license and identity stolen, a long story.... but basically I didn't have what I needed to rent a car while they fixed it so I put it off.
    A year later and I finally got things taken care of and took it in for an oil change and another pressure test to get the recall taken care of -- thank ****ing god they extended things until May 31st, it saved me a pleading call to Ford corp about my life situation.

    Guess what? New engine. Ordered, will be here Monday, should have my RS back next week from 23k to 0 miles.
    Neato.

    Hopefully I don't have to come back to this thread with issues!
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    So stopped at the dealer on the way home to see how things are going, they had asked me to stop by. I initially said I was buying ARP studs which they were ok with but had a change of heart after remembering the first time my car had the HG done I inquired about ARP studs which they said would void the work.

    I get to the dealer and they ask if I had the ARP head studs which I did not. I thought the head gasket "kit" came with the factory head bolts but apparently it does not. So this brought back up the issue with warranty coverage if I use ARP head studs and to my surprise they said it would be fine and they would cover the work if something failed.

    So I order the ARP studs earlier today and got to thinking, hopefully someone can answer or verify this. Below are the torque procedures from ARP:

    1- Tighten nuts 1 through 10 to 25 ft-lbs
    2- Tighten nuts 1 through 10 to 50 ft-lbs
    3- Tighten nuts 1 through 10 to 75 ft-lbs
    4- Loosen nuts 10 through 1
    5- Tighten nuts 1 through 10 to 25 ft-lbs
    6- Tighten nuts 1 through 10 to 50 ft-lbs
    7- Tighten nuts 1 through 10 to 75 ft-lbs

    My concern is step 4, especially with a MLS gasket. Will a MLS gasket be ok after it is initially crushed from the first run in torque sequence and will it seal properly after the final torque sequence on an already crushed MLS gasket?

    Steps 1-3 are just to run in the nuts on the head studs for possible stretch as far as I know. Has anyone ran into this?

    It has been suggested to me by @lucky phil to do steps 1-3 with the old HG in place and then do steps 5-7 with the new HG in place which is probably the best course of action. Of course non of this matters unless the surfaces are machined perfectly...
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