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This is a discussion on Fire extinguisher and bracket options within the Focus RS Racing forums, part of the Focus RS Garage category; Originally Posted by meFiSTo No doubt that it intrudes into the passenger foot well considerably more than the Bracketeer optoin. However, it's not unmanageable. With ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by meFiSTo View Post
    No doubt that it intrudes into the passenger foot well considerably more than the Bracketeer optoin. However, it's not unmanageable. With the FE removed, the remaining Drake quick release mount is really not an issue in my opinion (for everyday driving). Evem with the FE in place, I think it's fine for most adults. I'll take some photos tomorrow and test it with my 5'4" wife. She'll let me know if it's a problem. By "longer" image, I'm taking you to mean, taken from a greater distance away from the setup for better spatial perspective. Car's in the garage at the moment and the door's a little wedged in there.


    Yep, from a little further back, same height as my wife also, so that works out

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    Quote Originally Posted by meFiSTo View Post
    All the bits landed and the thing is installed.

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    What is the output of this extinguisher? By output, I mean what does it expel? I notice there are other pics of a dry chemical which has it's pro's and cons, the latter being that it makes a hell of a mess. I know, it's better than the car being of fire without such help at hand and I have two of these in my classic car.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallye Sport View Post
    What is the output of this extinguisher? By output, I mean what does it expel? I notice there are other pics of a dry chemical which has it's pro's and cons, the latter being that it makes a hell of a mess. I know, it's better than the car being of fire without such help at hand and I have two of these in my classic car.....
    Its basically refrigerant, freon12b1 (chlorodifluorobromomethane) and has been banned in Australia for over 20 years unless for aviation or specific other uses. We had them fitted to our commercial jets but you wont be allowed to import or purchase here without a proper documented exemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallye Sport View Post
    What is the output of this extinguisher? By output, I mean what does it expel? I notice there are other pics of a dry chemical which has it's pro's and cons, the latter being that it makes a hell of a mess. I know, it's better than the car being of fire without such help at hand and I have two of these in my classic car.....
    The extinguishing agent is Halon. I believe it’s rated as a Class B and C type fire suppressant. It is intended for electrical and fluid fires only. It is a dry chemical agent. However, unlike ABC agents, there is no residue left behind and it does not damage electronics. That’s a big plus for modern automotive and aviation applications. Although Halon is no longer produced, the stock that remains is still used for specific applications. It is not the least expensive option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meFiSTo View Post
    The extinguishing agent is Halon. I believe it’s rated as a Class B and C type fire suppressant. It is intended for electrical and fluid fires only. It is a dry chemical agent. However, unlike ABC agents, there is no residue left behind and it does not damage electronics. That’s a big plus for modern automotive and aviation applications. Although Halon is no longer produced, the stock that remains is still used for specific applications. It is not the least expensive option.
    Its actually a gas at atmospheric pressure and a liquid in the extinguisher. Its used for jet engine fire supression and in some of the cabin extinguishers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky phil View Post
    Its actually a gas at atmospheric pressure and a liquid in the extinguisher. Its used for jet engine fire supression and in some of the cabin extinguishers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky phil View Post
    Looks real quality. Can you provide us with a longer image so I can see how intrusive it is with regards to passenger accommodation. Just thinking it may be an issue for a passenger getting in and out. The one fitted to Alph dogs looks a little intrusive and yours has a greater standoff from the bracket than his. Thanks

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    I think that’s with the seat all the way back. A passenger, say an instructor, could fit in there but would need to be a little conscious of the clamp edges and FE nozzle. Emergency exiting would not be much of an issue. There’s no cage. My wife did not like this setup. But with the FE out and just the QR pull bit of the mount attached to the bracket, she was perfectly happy. I’ll leave it like that normally. It’s really not difficult to take in and out. Just the two seat bolts.


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    Here's a nice synopsis about motorsports fire suppressants: Fire: A Motorsports Safety Challenge - The Building Speed Blog

    I KNEW Halon was a CFC, but I just had a brain fart. You definitely want to point the nozzle away from your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meFiSTo View Post


    I think that’s with the seat all the way back. A passenger, say an instructor, could fit in there but would need to be a little conscious of the clamp edges and FE nozzle. Emergency exiting would not be much of an issue. There’s no cage. My wife did not like this setup. But with the FE out and just the QR pull bit of the mount attached to the bracket, she was perfectly happy. I’ll leave it like that normally. It’s really not difficult to take in and out. Just the two seat bolts.


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    Here's a nice synopsis about motorsports fire suppressants: Fire: A Motorsports Safety Challenge - The Building Speed Blog

    I KNEW Halon was a CFC, but I just had a brain fart. You definitely want to point the nozzle away from your face.
    Great work, thanks for that. Its a really nice looking quality set up, pity we cant use that bottle here.

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    I recently tried a different fire extinguisher mount setup. I've tried a BUNCH (OTS and semi custom) of setups. None of them stayed in the car very long. All the others mounted to the seat rail bolts, so they remained in a fixed position. So, they got in the way, impacted the seat's range of motion, or were otherwise suffering from some comprise.

    I decided I would make my own. Well, have made.

    I bought some stuff to get some baseline to work from. Turns out, it works well enough that it's remained in the RS for a while now, and I have no plans to replace it.

    This is very good. It moves with seat, so that's nice, and it has a very quick release. My wife is 5' 6" and she clears it without issue. Perhaps the biggest drawback versus other mounts is the face that it sits slightly higher, so higher center of gravity, but I'm OK with that. I could angle it a bit lower, maybe ½ an inch, but it wouldn't look as good, to me. Any lower than that would effect the sliding seat release lever mechanism.

    Some noise on very ruff roads, but some some thin stick foam pads cured that, not that it was horrible to begin with.

    Install was simple with the seat removed. With the seat in, I'd imagine it'd be quite troublesome, at least for someone with my skill level, and patience. I had some slight longer bolts lying around, which I used, but I did mount it (as a test) with the included bolts just fine.

    Anyhow, it looks pretty slick (IMHO), and works well. So, I thought I'd share. I bought my stuff from CJ Pony Parts, but I'm sure it's available elsewhere. Links below.

    https://www.cjponyparts.com/scott-dr...-1977/p/BRFEM/

    https://www.cjponyparts.com/drake-mu...l-set/p/FEMC1/

    https://www.cjponyparts.com/drake-mu...5-2014/p/FEM1/

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnfinityX View Post


    I think this is the picture.
    I have my halon bottle there as well, but I simply used some strong tie-wraps to attach the bottle bracket to the passenger side seat adjustment lever, shown as the black bar to the left of the extinguisher in the picture (right at the edge of the seat). I put a cotton towel under it so it doesn't rub anything.

    It is secure, I can reach over and unlatch the bracket and remove the bottle easily, it passed tech no problem, and I haven't had any problems with it over the last three track days.

    And it was free

    I can post a photo or two next time I have the car out.

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