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This is a discussion on Litchfield and KW's 2 mode reviews? within the Focus RS Suspension forums, part of the Focus RS Garage category; Originally Posted by bongie I'm also looking to purchase a set of Litchfield DDCs as I want to retain a relatively normal ride height (my ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bongie View Post
    I'm also looking to purchase a set of Litchfield DDCs as I want to retain a relatively normal ride height (my RS is a DD + occasional track day) and have the benefit of a more sophisticated ride on the road and a better suspension for the track.

    The thing is I also want to slightly increase the negative camber all round. My goal is -2F/-1.5R. I emailed Litchfield and they told me they have the kit on the shelf but that it shouldn't be used with camber plates as that would void the warranty. I was planning to use KW camber plates which basically should be made for these coil overs so I am a bit surprised by this answer.

    I read that @BigFatFlip had some issues with the front shocks that might be due to him using the GC camber plates but I plan to use the KW ones. Do you guys think that Litchfield are just being cautious or there might be a legit concern? Do you know of a reliable way to achieve an additional -0.5 degree negative camber in the front without using camber plates (adjustable endlinks maybe?).
    I don't see why you couldn't use camber plates but I'm no expert. I would be hesitant if any issues come up though, since they'd probably then point the finger there. Another method would be to do the front lower control arm camber bushings. However, there are a few guys that have had issues with this also.

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    Quick update: It's been about 8 months and 3 trackdays since the 2nd replacement damper was installed and its been good so far. The GC camber plate top nuts have been loctited and do not show any signs of loosening over time. The shop that f'd up my bad damper (cut the cable off, costing me a warranty claim) as agreed to split the cost of the replacement damper with "store credit". I'd like to do another alignment but I'm hesitant to take it back to those hacks lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by bongie View Post
    I'm also looking to purchase a set of Litchfield DDCs as I want to retain a relatively normal ride height (my RS is a DD + occasional track day) and have the benefit of a more sophisticated ride on the road and a better suspension for the track.

    The thing is I also want to slightly increase the negative camber all round. My goal is -2F/-1.5R. I emailed Litchfield and they told me they have the kit on the shelf but that it shouldn't be used with camber plates as that would void the warranty. I was planning on using KW camber plates which basically should be made for these coil overs so I am a bit surprised by this answer.

    I read that @BigFatFlip had some issues with the front shocks that might be due to him using the GC camber plates but I plan to use the KW ones. Do you guys think that Litchfield are just being cautious or there might be a legit concern? Do you know of a reliable way to achieve an additional -0.5 degree negative camber in the front without using camber plates (adjustable endlinks maybe?).
    I'm surprised to hear that KW has a set of camber plates. Mind sending a link?

    I think Litchfield's statement about not using camber plates was just reiterating KW's, which is basically a CYA (cover your @$$) statement to minimize KW's responsibility on warranty claims. KW told me on my 2nd warranty issue go around that although they don't see any clear indication that the camber plates have caused my issue, all their testing has only been done with the OEM top hats, so they are only confident with that set-up and will only support that for warranty claims.

    TBH, I wouldn't let it stop you from getting the camber plates, as long as you are going in knowing that it is "at your own risk". If you only track every once in a while, I wouldn't bother with them unless you are adamant in getting that additional camber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatFlip View Post
    Quick update: It's been about 8 months and 3 trackdays since the 2nd replacement damper was installed and its been good so far. The GC camber plate top nuts have been loctited and do not show any signs of loosening over time. The shop that f'd up my bad damper (cut the cable off, costing me a warranty claim) as agreed to split the cost of the replacement damper with "store credit". I'd like to do another alignment but I'm hesitant to take it back to those hacks lol.
    Good to hear the issues havn't reappeared.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatFlip View Post
    I'm surprised to hear that KW has a set of camber plates. Mind sending a link?
    I actually don't have a link and now that you asked me I can't find one anywhere. I asked my local KW dealer and they said they offer camber plates as well. I'll have a talk with them and update you on that. AFAIK the KW Clubsports are sold with camber plates so maybe it's a brand new part and not on their site yet (the clubsports have been recently released for the RS I think).

    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatFlip View Post
    I think Litchfield's statement about not using camber plates was just reiterating KW's, which is basically a CYA (cover your @$$) statement to minimize KW's responsibility on warranty claims. KW told me on my 2nd warranty issue go around that although they don't see any clear indication that the camber plates have caused my issue, all their testing has only been done with the OEM top hats, so they are only confident with that set-up and will only support that for warranty claims.

    TBH, I wouldn't let it stop you from getting the camber plates, as long as you are going in knowing that it is "at your own risk". If you only track every once in a while, I wouldn't bother with them unless you are adamant in getting that additional camber.
    Thanks for the advice. I might skip the plates for now as I only want a minor adjustment and also I'll prob gain some negative camber from the height drop.
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    Update on the KW plates: My dealer confirmed that there is a KW camber plate available for the RS in the parts store. He has never ordered one and said there aren't any pictures but he did sent me a picture from the installation guide of the Clubsports showing the plate:
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    Quote Originally Posted by bongie View Post
    Update on the KW plates: My dealer confirmed that there is a KW camber plate available for the RS in the parts store. He has never ordered one and said there aren't any pictures but he did sent me a picture from the installation guide of the Clubsports showing the plate:
    Ah, thanks! I'm liking that design much better than the GC and Vorshlag since the camber adjustment is done on the plate instead of the 3 mounting studs. I've always hated how I undid the alignment every I had to undo the strut bar to gain access to the damper top nut back when it was coming loose.
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    Litchfield DDCs ordered. Can not wait. Anybody else in Aus have them installed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bongie View Post
    Update on the KW plates: My dealer confirmed that there is a KW camber plate available for the RS in the parts store. He has never ordered one and said there aren't any pictures but he did sent me a picture from the installation guide of the Clubsports showing the plate:
    these are the same plates on the st xta. they cant be adjusted unless you cut whole in strut tower and brace.
    if you dont want to cut then strut has to be removed inorder to change camber. also not caster adjustable.
    me and a friend had similar issues where 4 screws were starting to loosen after time.
    when first installed they are nice and tight but after some time you start to hear slight thump/rattle.
    come to find out screws back of a little. i suggest if you want to go this route use locktite on 4 bolts.
    the design is like a sandwich around a ball. after some wear, plates conform to ball and have to retighten.

    example when new plates baerly move/swivel around. after some wear when you take them off its very easy to move by hand.
    then you retighten and it gets some what snug again. i can only imagine it might loosen again. i dont have st xta any more so i cant say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSPECTED View Post
    these are the same plates on the st xta. they cant be adjusted unless you cut whole in strut tower and brace.
    if you dont want to cut then strut has to be removed inorder to change camber. also not caster adjustable.
    me and a friend had similar issues where 4 screws were starting to loosen after time.
    when first installed they are nice and tight but after some time you start to hear slight thump/rattle.
    come to find out screws back of a little. i suggest if you want to go this route use locktite on 4 bolts.
    the design is like a sandwich around a ball. after some wear, plates conform to ball and have to retighten.

    example when new plates baerly move/swivel around. after some wear when you take them off its very easy to move by hand.
    then you retighten and it gets some what snug again. i can only imagine it might loosen again. i dont have st xta any more so i cant say.
    That's a good call out on this style camber plate. I can see it being a pain unless modifications were made to the shock tunnel so you can adjust/maintain the camber plate.

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    Vorshlag cc plates + KW DDCs = no issues whatsoever. No clunks or clinks (unlike the GC ones I had), neg 2.3 camber, built like tanks. I wish I had bought them 1st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champale View Post
    Vorshlag cc plates + KW DDCs = no issues whatsoever. No clunks or clinks (unlike the GC ones I had), neg 2.3 camber, built like tanks. I wish I had bought them 1st.
    I have the Vorshlag camber plates and kW V3 coilovers. No issues what so ever.

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