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    MCS is the way to go

    I've been running the MCS TT1 setup for a few weeks now. I've also done 2 autocross events on them, but this car is also my daily driver and it has seen street use for sure. Though, I likely don't drive it as much as others might. My commute is very short and I often don't take this car for reasons other than the car's ride quality. That's not important. But, I have gotten a great feel for the car now, both easy driving and on the limit. This all with an alignment as such:

    Front - 2.8 degrees of negative camber, 7 degrees of caster, 0 toe
    Rear - 2 degrees of negative camber, 0 toe

    Yes, I cut the crap out of my front strut towers to get the max caster allowed by the Vorshlag top plates, and it was worth it absolutely.

    I also haven't done a proper corner balance as I am waiting to put on some adjustable rear links.

    Other mods to the suspension include Whiteline bars front and rear and the Massive rear camber arms.

    I'm running 600# springs up front and 650# springs in the rear. So, more than double, nearly triple the stock spring rate.

    And it rides like a dream. With simply rebound adjustment to play with, I can make the ride downright smooth. It's firm for sure, but it's a high performance car and this is a high performance suspension setup. I also have a lot more spring rate than a primarily daily driver would want. At the same time, however, it's absolutely nothing like the stiff stock setting. Even when I max out the dampening. I had the latest revision stock dampers all around and the stiff setting was absolutely unusable, even on a smoothish autocross site. This MCS setup, this is what I imagine McLarens or Porsches feel like. The car's body is under complete control all the time. There's a place on the autocross site I go to called the ditch. It's a sudden, wide "V" shaped crease in the asphalt and watch the video below to see how the MCS handled it at wide open throttle. It's just a dream. I know the DSC stuff is popular, I imagine because of keeping the electronic controls. I could see that being nice if you come across some bad road and want to soften it up a bit, sure. I have no experience with the setup but I really can't imagine a suspension setup feeling better than this for a performance car. That's about the most I will say about the ride quality because I'm aware how it sounds when you try and explain things like this over words.

    Also, the MCS' offer great ride height adjustability. I slammed the rear as low as it would go and lost about an inch. I imagine my high spring rate holds it up more than other might see. The fronts aren't completely slammed, but they're close and I lost about a half inch. So, I kept a half inch of rake which is what I wanted. Overall, I'd like the get the car to drop another half inch front and rear, but that's purely for performance. This ride height I'm at is a great spot for a street car. Or you could absolutely keep the stock ride heights. The front could also be raised a lot. The rear I think can go a little higher than stock.



    The "ditch" I hit is at 1:17. Barely freakin notice it and that spot would throw the car on the sport stock suspension.

    Thanks for reading. I'm not sure what other ways I could convey the feel of the MCSs to you guys over the internet. If you have any questions or requests, I'd like to do more.
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    Glad to see another satisfied Vorshlag / MCS TT1 customer. I absolutely love my setup. It's a perfect match for Hoosier A7 tires IMHO.

    Are you having any chassis interference with the Whiteline front sway bar upper end links? I had to come up with a DIY front sway bar end link relocation plate to fix the problem while running camber = -3.1 front, -2.9 rear and zero toe F/R.

    https://hanksrs.com/Front_Swaybar_Fix.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank View Post
    Glad to see another satisfied Vorshlag / MCS TT1 customer. I absolutely love my setup. It's a perfect match for Hoosier A7 tires IMHO.

    Are you having any chassis interference with the Whiteline front sway bar upper end links? I had to come up with a DIY front sway bar end link relocation plate to fix the problem while running camber = -3.1 front, -2.9 rear and zero toe F/R.

    https://hanksrs.com/Front_Swaybar_Fix.htm

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    I followed your blog very closely. Huge help man! I gave you a shoutout in my build thread.

    We autocross on different tires, but what is your experience with different sway bar stiffnesses? I ran the last event middle front and soft rear and it felt really good. It had a little bit more roll than I might like, but I don't want to make it pushy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathion View Post
    I followed your blog very closely. Huge help man! I gave you a shoutout in my build thread.

    We autocross on different tires, but what is your experience with different sway bar stiffnesses? I ran the last event middle front and soft rear and it felt really good. It had a little bit more roll than I might like, but I don't want to make it pushy.
    Sorry, I forgot about seeing that. And I'm too old for a blog. It's a build diary.

    I haven't tried any other Whiteline sway bar settings than middle front and stiff rear. No detectable roll. I steer with the throttle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank View Post
    Glad to see another satisfied Vorshlag / MCS TT1 customer. I absolutely love my setup. It's a perfect match for Hoosier A7 tires IMHO.

    Are you having any chassis interference with the Whiteline front sway bar upper end links? I had to come up with a DIY front sway bar end link relocation plate to fix the problem while running camber = -3.1 front, -2.9 rear and zero toe F/R.

    https://hanksrs.com/Front_Swaybar_Fix.htm

    Hank I'm disappointed by the rust ring on the front upright there bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky phil View Post
    Hank I'm disappointed by the rust ring on the front upright there bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank View Post
    Stage 4 weight reduction. Just takes 30 years.
    Oh right, I thought there'd be logical reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank View Post
    Stage 4 weight reduction. Just takes 30 years.
    Well, you bought a Ford so don't worry, it'll get there

    Wonder how this 1-way adjustables compare to AST and Ohlins. "Stuck" between the 3 now.

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