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This is a discussion on What's your theory on the RS NOT giving out advertised power numbers? Disappointed. within the Focus RS Discussions forums, part of the Focus RS Forums category; Originally Posted by Zeroescence Okay, I just posted on Ford performance's Facebook as well. Most likely nothing will come of it. But I feel we ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeroescence View Post
    Okay, I just posted on Ford performance's Facebook as well. Most likely nothing will come of it. But I feel we all need to try if we are experiencing these issues.
    They will likely respond to it regardless. Ford surely has a team of folks that only respond to social media complaints.

    Let us know what they say.
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    ford made the openings on the front of the car as large as possible, they sealed around the rad and fmic so that as much air as possible would pass thru, they used a grill mesh that has 86% flow thru. my opinion is that this was all designed to cool the charge temps to a decent level on a racetrack at 100mph. Not on a dyno with a box fan. I think the charge temps are reaching unsafe levels (according to ford) on the dyno in one pull. if you want the car to pull consistently high numbers on the rollers you need a cooler that's designed for it. if you have never held a ford factory fmic then you just don't know what your dealing with, its a tin can compare to any aftermarket cooler out there.

    A 2.3l cranking out 350hp/tq? why would that need high octane and cool charge temps? laugh out loud
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    Keeping it pinned down while all cylinders are -6 is not good practice

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    Buy th damn car and mod away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolTech View Post
    GEEEEZZZZEE!! Way too soon for everyone to have their panties in a twist. Let's wait until we have someone up on a 4WD dyno and datalogging enough values to see what is really going on.....
    Quote Originally Posted by kpflynn View Post
    No, it's not. This is not a scattering. It's EVERY SINGLE US CAR DYNOED.
    I agree, the sooner this is brought to higher the sooner hopefully a flash to fix the issue can be sent out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus pilot View Post
    ford made the openings on the front of the car as large as possible, they sealed around the rad and fmic so that as much air as possible would pass thru, they used a grill mesh that has 86% flow thru. my opinion is that this was all designed to cool the charge temps to a decent level on a racetrack at 100mph. Not on a dyno with a box fan. I think the charge temps are reaching unsafe levels (according to ford) on the dyno in one pull. if you want the car to pull consistently high numbers on the rollers you need a cooler that's designed for it. if you have never held a ford factory fmic then you just don't know what your dealing with, its a tin can compare to any aftermarket cooler out there.

    A 2.3l cranking out 350hp/tq? why would that need high octane and cool charge temps? laugh out loud
    People are having issues on the street too, not just the dyno.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlock View Post
    People are having issues on the street too, not just the dyno.


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    butt dyno does not count
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    Keeping it pinned down while all cylinders are -6 is not good practice

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus pilot View Post
    ford made the openings on the front of the car as large as possible, they sealed around the rad and fmic so that as much air as possible would pass thru, they used a grill mesh that has 86% flow thru. my opinion is that this was all designed to cool the charge temps to a decent level on a racetrack at 100mph. Not on a dyno with a box fan. I think the charge temps are reaching unsafe levels (according to ford) on the dyno in one pull. if you want the car to pull consistently high numbers on the rollers you need a cooler that's designed for it. if you have never held a ford factory fmic then you just don't know what your dealing with, its a tin can compare to any aftermarket cooler out there.

    A 2.3l cranking out 350hp/tq? why would that need high octane and cool charge temps? laugh out loud
    We definitely need more track data-1/4 mile times, but even those are inconsistent. The RS with all the designing you mentioned should be able to hot lap pretty well at a drag strip, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus pilot View Post
    ford made the openings on the front of the car as large as possible, they sealed around the rad and fmic so that as much air as possible would pass thru, they used a grill mesh that has 86% flow thru. my opinion is that this was all designed to cool the charge temps to a decent level on a racetrack at 100mph. Not on a dyno with a box fan. I think the charge temps are reaching unsafe levels (according to ford) on the dyno in one pull. if you want the car to pull consistently high numbers on the rollers you need a cooler that's designed for it. if you have never held a ford factory fmic then you just don't know what your dealing with, its a tin can compare to any aftermarket cooler out there.

    A 2.3l cranking out 350hp/tq? why would that need high octane and cool charge temps? laugh out loud
    This may be true, but it doesn't explain a 13.95@98.5 on PSS or a 13.55@102.7 on PSC2's when running at the track. Maybe they were bad drivers, but frankly those trap speeds indicate that the low dyno numbers are accurate. We really need to see more people gets some 1/4 mile runs so we can get a good look at what kind of trap speeds are consistently seen. Maybe these low dyno numbers and low trap speeds are just the exception, rather than the rule. I'm hoping that is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by focus pilot View Post
    butt dyno does not count
    I believe people can see differences with the boost gauge. Not to mention the reported trap speeds that are lower than a sub-300 hp Golf R.


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    I think guys with dyno numbers that show the car way down on power should be bringing this up with the dealer. Don't get me wrong it's great that people like @gte are trying to get to the bottom of it, but the sooner people with quantifiable problems talk to the dealer the sooner Ford will see the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunmike1 View Post
    It's making 290-300 WHP one time, then losing 40-50 WHP, and fluctuating up and down a little from there, from run to run. It sounds like realistically it's only consistently making 300-310 HP, and only occasionally giving the full 350 HP. That is on 93 octane, as well. Personally, I think the power should be rated based on what is consistently put out, not a number that you only see once in a while. I also highly doubt the numbers will be pretty on the California 91 Octane garbage I have to use. We will have to see how things look when more people dyno and run their cars in the 1/4 mile to get a full picture of how they perform. So far the best time I saw was a 13.55@102.7 on Sport Cup 2's. With 350 HP the RS should be very low 13's, and probably 12's with Sport Cup 2's.
    The 13.55 had 2 passengers, and a full tank of gas.

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