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    I'm probably going to upgrade to the speakers to German Maestro... We have them in our 1984 VW Westfalia and they sound great... I'll see what else they recommend when it comes time to do it... Not all that fond of the Sony speakers in my wife's ST (ST3).

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    The Sony system is absolutely terrible. If I make it over 1 week before tearing it out and burning it I'd be surprised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zeropinion View Post
    The Sony system is absolutely terrible. If I make it over 1 week before tearing it out and burning it I'd be surprised.


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    So what extent are you going to replace ?

    (0) Dynamat to reduce outside sounds ? to what extent?
    (1) New speakers? Front Plane only ? All speakers plus sub? what brand?
    (2) New amplifiers ?
    (3) New wiring ?
    (4) New head unit? if so, do you plan to integrate it into Sync3 and steering wheel controls ?

    YMMV,

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    Most likely numbers 0-3. I'll likely go with a bit ten and audison speakers but it's still a ways off so I haven't made my final decisions. I've just been severely disappointed with the audio on my ST. I'm also someone who cares more about music than cars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zeropinion View Post
    Most likely numbers 0-3. I'll likely go with a bit ten and audison speakers but it's still a ways off so I haven't made my final decisions. I've just been severely disappointed with the audio on my ST. I'm also someone who cares more about music than cars.


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    I am sure you are right but I really really hope I dont hate it to the degree of needing to change it asap. In an ideal world Id figure out a way to stick a 12 in the back, but I did buy a hatch for the space and a ported 12 is hard to hide. please sony dont disappoint!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lymerock View Post
    I am sure you are right but I really really hope I dont hate it to the degree of needing to change it asap. In an ideal world Id figure out a way to stick a 12 in the back, but I did buy a hatch for the space and a ported 12 is hard to hide. please sony dont disappoint!
    lymerock,

    You'd like my SVS PB-12 Plus in my home theater system

    YMMV,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidCow3 View Post
    lymerock,

    You'd like my SVS PB-12 Plus in my home theater system

    YMMV,

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    considering my current home system is a soundbar with a sloppy sounding 8" i am sure you are right.
    my home theater amp crapoed the bed and ive been too lburried in other things to do much about it. for now the 12 lays dormant

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    The system appears to be the same as the system that was in my ST so I can give you my thoughts. The stock system is honestly not that bad. Most people will find it acceptable. I upgraded my system for two reasons.

    First the stock system is simply not loud enough. I know most people will scoff at that, but honestly it's much quieter than most stock systems. My 2011 Focus SES had a much louder system with only 4 speakers vs. 10.

    Second, the bass is decent but just not the same as with my 10" sub. I missed real, full bass. Someone sells a replacement for the stock sub encoulsure that fits in roughly the same area, but it's ridiculously expensive. I think it was like $700. Found it.

    I put in some Rockford Fosgate amps and I'm running Polk MoMos. Honestly I love these speakers, they're bright without being harsh. One word of caution. I put in class D amps for my sub and my speakers. For the speakers I advise you to use something other than class D. When that amp is on it creates a lot of interference with my FM reception. Now for about half of my commute I don't get my favorite HD station. I'm thinking maybe I can put some ferrite beads on the speaker wires, but I'm not sure if that will help. I probably should have just stuck with a larger A/B amp, but I wanted the small form factor of the D.

    Sorry lymerock, you CANNOT remove the factory amp. Sync sounds like button presses are generated in the factory amp. The MFT head unit sends a CAN message to the amp to play certain sounds. Also volume control is done in the same manner. Unless you have a some unit that hooks into the factory CAN network you will lose volume control via the head unit. The AudioControl unit that you posted does not appear to do that. I have the cheaper LC7i in my ST but that's just for the LOC, input summing and bass restoration. It looks like this unit only adds EQ on top of that.

    What I've done is run the outputs from the factory amp to the Lc7i and then run those to my own amps. This is pretty much the only way to do it. The front speakers have a low/high pass filter applied to them because there is separate wiring for the woofers and tweeters. So you have to get a full range signal from the rears because those are wired with one run and passive filters at the speakers. This is where the input summing comes in on the LC7i. Another FYI with the stock amp you have to use load resistors otherwise the amp burns out some sort of low pass filter and high frequency noise ends up melting tweeters.

    Upgrading the stock system is a lot of work unfortunately, but it was worth it. Now I just have to track down the rattles that were created from adding all the extra juice to the speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xicutioner View Post
    The system appears to be the same as the system that was in my ST so I can give you my thoughts. The stock system is honestly not that bad. Most people will find it acceptable. I upgraded my system for two reasons.

    First the stock system is simply not loud enough. I know most people will scoff at that, but honestly it's much quieter than most stock systems. My 2011 Focus SES had a much louder system with only 4 speakers vs. 10.

    Second, the bass is decent but just not the same as with my 10" sub. I missed real, full bass. Someone sells a replacement for the stock sub encoulsure that fits in roughly the same area, but it's ridiculously expensive. I think it was like $700. Found it.

    I put in some Rockford Fosgate amps and I'm running Polk MoMos. Honestly I love these speakers, they're bright without being harsh. One word of caution. I put in class D amps for my sub and my speakers. For the speakers I advise you to use something other than class D. When that amp is on it creates a lot of interference with my FM reception. Now for about half of my commute I don't get my favorite HD station. I'm thinking maybe I can put some ferrite beads on the speaker wires, but I'm not sure if that will help. I probably should have just stuck with a larger A/B amp, but I wanted the small form factor of the D.

    Sorry lymerock, you CANNOT remove the factory amp. Sync sounds like button presses are generated in the factory amp. The MFT head unit sends a CAN message to the amp to play certain sounds. Also volume control is done in the same manner. Unless you have a some unit that hooks into the factory CAN network you will lose volume control via the head unit. The AudioControl unit that you posted does not appear to do that. I have the cheaper LC7i in my ST but that's just for the LOC, input summing and bass restoration. It looks like this unit only adds EQ on top of that.

    What I've done is run the outputs from the factory amp to the Lc7i and then run those to my own amps. This is pretty much the only way to do it. The front speakers have a low/high pass filter applied to them because there is separate wiring for the woofers and tweeters. So you have to get a full range signal from the rears because those are wired with one run and passive filters at the speakers. This is where the input summing comes in on the LC7i. Another FYI with the stock amp you have to use load resistors otherwise the amp burns out some sort of low pass filter and high frequency noise ends up melting tweeters.

    Upgrading the stock system is a lot of work unfortunately, but it was worth it. Now I just have to track down the rattles that were created from adding all the extra juice to the speakers.
    Xicutioner,

    Did you install any Dynamat ? Very nice write-up; I love great sound


    YMMV,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidCow3 View Post
    Xicutioner,

    Did you install any Dynamat ? Very nice write-up; I love great sound


    YMMV,

    MidCow3
    No, I had already spent a small fortune and I didn't want to add any more weight than I already did. I used a frequency generator app on my phone paired via bluetooth and I leveled out the system as best I could. When I did that I found several resonant frequencies that were hitting certain parts in the door panels. Some weekend when I have some spare time I'm going to tear the doors apart again and see if some soft side velcro will fix this. This is what I did for my ghetto basement theater and it actually works really well for fixing hot spots. Obviously, it wont help at all with road noise but I'd rather not add 20+ pounds in sound deadening. I can live with road noise, but the rattles are actually pretty irritating.

    I should mention the ST is MFT and is NOT Sync 3. They may have changed how the amplifier hooks up, but I'm just guessing that they didn't since it's still the Sony system.
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